Mustang Hybrid (S650) Announced, Debuts in 2020

[OX1]

Depending on legislation that is enacted to make the system work, those two things would be one in the same. :(

I'm counting on the lawyers to do what they do, and sue right out of business
this autonomous disaster coming.

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[Falc'man]

Better still would be a short-stroke Voodoo of around 4.5L. With a proper 0 - 180 - 180 - 0 crank and 4 into 1 exhaust.


Norm

This here I agree with. Maybe even less cubes and make an ultra high rpm V8, and then incorporate electric motors to fill it with power down low.

 

[Bravo]

I'm counting on the lawyers to do what they do, and sue right out of business
this autonomous disaster coming.

It would be in a lawyer's interest to stop the technology, as it would cut injuries from accidents by a huge amount.

It would also eliminate a large percentage of the police force, as the need for traffic cops would drop significantly.

 

[millhouse]

This here I agree with. Maybe even less cubes and make an ultra high rpm V8, and then incorporate electric motors to fill it with power down low.

People are bitching about the current prices. Adding what you suggest would elevate the costs well above what the average Joe can afford.

 

[Topnotch]

Tesla 3 has 450K orders...it is a boring design...kind of a squished S design...that is getting old looking...
Mustang as a brand for over fifty years has adapted to the times...
PHEV's and EV's will sooner than later be what will be on the roads.
Unless you want Mustangs with their V-8's to be relegated for track/off road use they need to become relevant in the EV world.
Design will be the key factor... material use...fun to drive...etc.
Mustang can do this going forward. Starting with a torque crazy Hybrid with a Ecoboost 4 and Electric front axles for amazing numbers. After that in the late 2020's it will have to go full electric.

 

[jasonstang]

The mustang size is perfect as it is. If I wanted a compact car, I'd buy a focus RS. Those that don't understand that should buy a used Ford Probe.

Focus RS is too small.
If you look at the original Mustang, it's rather compact.

 

[EJS2016]

Tesla 3 has 450K orders...it is a boring design...kind of a squished S design...that is getting old looking...
Mustang as a brand for over fifty years has adapted to the times...
PHEV's and EV's will sooner than later be what will be on the roads.
Unless you want Mustangs with their V-8's to be relegated for track/off road use they need to become relevant in the EV world.
Design will be the key factor... material use...fun to drive...etc.
Mustang can do this going forward. Starting with a torque crazy Hybrid with a Ecoboost 4 and Electric front axles for amazing numbers. After that in the late 2020's it will have to go full electric.

The scenario mentioned above by Topnotch is not particularly to my liking, but this is the reality of the near future.
Other manufacturers will have to get on board and adapt to this "new world order" or free fall into irrelevance and failure.

As I've mentioned before...
If you want a 5.0-5.2L Mustang...buy it soon!
What and where are S550 generation's Special Edition or "Halo" Mustangs?
IMO...a 7.0L Mustang, as awesome as that sounds...is fantasy.

IMO...a 3.5-3.7L Ecoboost V6 / 4.0-4.5L Ecoboost V8 will power the S650 generation Mustang GT and "Halo"/SE ultra high-performance model.
The S650 has to be smaller and lighter than the S550.
Where will the new hybrid fit into the lineup?
Will it immediately assume the position/title of the maximum performance Mustang?

I believe Ford already has their vision for the future Mustang in motion...we will just have to wait and see how it all plays out.

 

[millhouse]

Focus RS is too small.
If you look at the original Mustang, it's rather compact.

The original mustang would score a God awful crash rating by today's standards. It didn't have to carry aribags, the abundant electronics or additional structure that today's cars are required. It wasn't demanded to have the structural rigidity that today's pony cars have.

Think of it this way. The 1964 had nearly the same curb weight as the current Mazda Miata. Let that sink in for a second. Hell, the current Miata is WIDER both in overall and track width.

And for the record, the RS is only shorter in overall length. The wheelbase, track width, interior space etc. are all on par to the WRX.

 

[Ericc B]

Where will the new hybrid fit into the lineup

Imo it will be either the entry model or one notch above the entry model, if they decide to keep the non-hybrid 4banger as well. I highly doubt we will ever see a V6 Mustang again.

 

[Norm Peterson]

People are bitching about the current prices. Adding what you suggest would elevate the costs well above what the average Joe and afford.

Would a hybrid car of comparable performance really cost enough less to matter?

With that "comparable performance" still being available at least as far out as the end of a 25-minute track-day session.


Norm

 

[millhouse]

IMO...a 3.5-3.7L Ecoboost V6 / 4.0-4.5L Ecoboost V8 will power the S650 generation Mustang GT and "Halo"/SE ultra high-performance model.
The S650 has to be smaller and lighter than the S550.

All I see are $$$$ thrown in front of the price. The S650 will already be more expensive due to inflation. A ecoboost V8 is going to add mega $$$ to the mix. When the base GT starts becoming the same price as a base corvette....you've got a problem.

As for the EB V6, I just can't see Ford alienating such a large percentage of its core buyers. People (like myself) do buy mustangs because they come with a V8. Once you start eliminating items that differentiate the mustang from other vehicles, you’re going to start losing customers.

 

[millhouse]

Would a hybrid car of comparable performance really cost enough less to matter?

With that "comparable performance" still being available at least as far out as the end of a 25-minute track-day session.


Norm

I'm not totally sure what your question was.

My post was really pointing out that keeping a V8 and adding electric assist is going to cost some serious coin.

 

[Norm Peterson]

After that in the late 2020's it will have to go full electric.

So where is the huge increase in base electric power generation that will be necessary to support all these EVs going to come from? Or the infrastructure to get it from where it is generated to where it's going to be used? Aren't some sections of the country at risk of brownouts/rolling blackouts as it is? Or do you shut your house A/C off on a 100° afternoon so you'll be able to charge your car up enough to get to work the next day?

Don't forget that some of the largest generating stations, being nuclear, will be dropping out of service as even any extensions past their nominal 40-year life expire, and that will need to be replaced just to keep from losing ground.

Wanting it (EVs) to happen won't make the above go away.


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

I'm not totally sure what your question was.

My post was really pointing out that keeping a V8 and adding electric assist is going to cost some serious coin.

Hybrid technology isn't inexpensive either, especially after you factor in the subsidies and incentives that would cease to exist in an EV- & Hybrid-only world. Neither electricity-based solution will provide full vehicle performance all the way out to the point where the onboard "fuel" storage capacity is fully depleted.


Norm

 

[millhouse]

Hybrid technology isn't inexpensive either, especially after you factor in the subsidies and incentives that would cease to exist in an EV & Hybrid world. Neither electricity-based solution will provide full vehicle performance all the way out to the point where the onboard "fuel" storage capacity is fully depleted.


Norm

Agreed.

Tesla is ready to surpass the production limit for federal subsidies.

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