Dark Horse on fire and burns down (from stuck clutch)

[Stonehauler]

It was definitely a loose fitting or leaky hydraulic line/slave cylinder causing this nasty mess...SNIP

unless you have personally examined the vehicle and are an expert at determining causes of fires, it is not "definite"

You SUSPECT.

Let's not get ahead of the facts in the situation. Yes, it's very concerning and I would hope that FMC is taking this extremely seriously.

Let's find out from the investigators what happened, and why. It might very well be exactly as you say, but it might be something else as well.

I am just glad everyone came out of the issue healthy and unhurt. Cars and property can be replaced, people and living things can't.

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[sdsteele2]

Recalls cost the company less than the downtime for a higher quality product.

accountants have it all priced in… it’s cheaper to keep the line running full speed and fix it later… even if that ends in a mass recall.

I’m usually not one to drag up old news, but Ford is the company that ran the numbers on the Pinto and pushed ahead anyway.

 

[BreadBurner]

I had a Dodge Ram truck. The brake line near the master cylinder sprung a leak and the fluid was sent directly at the exhaust manifold. Fire ensued.

Point being, don't blame the clutch just because clutch fluid was involved. Wait for the 8D.

8D?

 

[BreadBurner]

Remember the Pinto?

What was wrong with the Pinto? I wasn't born when it existed

 

[Q6543]

You guy’s realize that TESLA has a worse fire record than the pinto did …

just a weird old boomer stigma.

and No…. Most people don’t remember the pinto

 

[agreywolfe]

What was wrong with the Pinto? I wasn't born when it existed

due to the cars design the gas tank was basically the entire crumple zone of the car, so if rear ended could and would burst into flames, there was multiple lawsuits and Ford had to pay a lot of money over it

 

[BreadBurner]

due to the cars design the gas tank was basically the entire crumple zone of the car, so if rear ended could and would burst into flames, there was multiple lawsuits and Ford had to pay a lot of money over it

Thank you for explaining.

 

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[roadpilot]

8D?

Sorry, automotive manufacturing talk.

8D is a corrective action report.

 

[Zengineer]

What was wrong with the Pinto? I wasn't born when it existed

And nobody involved with it at Ford is still working there or even still alive. It's pretty weak to tie an engine bay fire to a design flaw that caused a fire in a rear end collision.

GM had a similar issue with side saddle fuel tanks placed outside the frame on pickups, but they were also unfairly vilified by some shady journalism.

 

[Zengineer]

An 8D is a tool used in failure analysis.
It's a 'problem solving' methodology for finding the 'root cause'
It'll likely use the 5why approach and 5w+2h(who, what,where,when,why,how,how many)

and funnily enough it originates from FORD!

It (5W) did not originate at Ford. It was first described and used by Sakichi Toyoda, used at Toyota and in some military applications.

 

[Bikeman315]

And nobody involved with it at Ford is still working there or even still alive. It's pretty weak to tie an engine bay fire to a design flaw that caused a fire in a rear end collision.

GM had a similar issue with side saddle fuel tanks placed outside the frame on pickups, but they were also unfairly vilified by some shady journalism.

This is what happens when a thread runs its course. There’s nothing left to say on the original topic, for now, so we go off on non related tangents.

 

[Bikeman315]

It (5W) did not originate at Ford. It was first described and used by Sakichi Toyoda, used at Toyota and in some military applications.

@keithwalton was only referring to 8D as originating from Ford.

https://asq.org/quality-resources/eight-disciplines-8d

 

[Zengineer]

@keithwalton was only referring to 8D as originating from Ford.

https://asq.org/quality-resources/eight-disciplines-8d

Ahhh, yes I was in product design, engineering, and development for a large supplier to Ford in the 80's. I agree the 8D process was their baby and a form of it is still the standard 40 years later.

 

[Skye]

Started doing some deep dives on the topic of vehicle fires this morning.

I've scrolled through the following sites and tagged them for later.

https://depts.washington.edu/vehfire/topics.html

https://www.cafsti.org/wp-content/uploads/Vehicle-Fires-a-Practical-Approach.pdf

https://www.usfa.fema.gov/statistics/outside-vehicle-fires/

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