How long do you think the S650 will stay in production?

[roadpilot]

Next gen Mustang will be MY 28 or 29 ... Ford still waffling ATM.

We build a major component for ~70% of all NA market Ford and Lincoln vehicles, including the S650.

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[Allanrock59]

For as long as they can sell it period. Money talks here.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Next gen Mustang will be MY 28 or 29 ... Ford still waffling ATM.

We build a major component for ~70% of all NA market Ford and Lincoln vehicles, including the S650.

Who's "we"?

 

[broncoboy22]

Who's "we"?

His company

 

[Zig]

Who's "we"?

It’s not the we it’s the waffle, Belgian or Western?

 

[RebelMan]

A Dark Horse makes 500HP. The GT350 has 526HP. Presuming we are getting a new Special Edition you would be looking at a base of say $85-90K. How much horsepower would you want for that kind of money? At least 600 you say. Do you really think they can get that reliably from a NA 5.2? I doubt it.

550 HP NA would be very doable with the 5.2 and totally in line at that price point. 600 HP would be left on the table for tuners to tune. Very befitting a Boss style name plate, maybe even a DH Boss.

That said it doesn't all come down to just HP, there are other factors to consider. I would like to see much higher TQ numbers than HP numbers.

 

[Bikeman315]

550 HP NA would be very doable with the 5.2 and totally in line at that price point. 600 HP would be left on the table for tuners to tune. Very befitting a Boss style name plate, maybe even a DH Boss.

That said it doesn't all come down to just HP, there are other factors to consider. I would like to see much higher TQ numbers than HP numbers.

Yeah well you’re not getting that with the NA Ford V8. It’s a top end motor not a bottom end one. That’s not going to change. As far as HP, I agree that 550 is doable but no one is going to pay GT500 money for 50HP. Also I’m not sure the 5.2 could handle 600 safely so tuners would probably stay away. Like it or not we are dealing with a small V8 and there is only two ways to get major HP. Turbo’s or Superchargers.

 

[RebelMan]

The whole reason the Dark Horse is called a Dark Horse and not a Mach 1 is because of the Mach-e. And yes, everyone saw that coming.

Wrong!

And we all know more electric mustang variants are coming too. And to say history is not a good predictor is just a silly statement that people who dont know history say.

It's all been speculative. You might want to look that up.

Do you live under a rock or are you just joking here? You don't need to work for Ford to read sales figures. Try using the internet or even doing a search on this forum.

You are ignorant of the facts as you do not have them. Otherwise you would be able to... "Show me the money!" ... "Show Me the Money!!" ... "SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!"

Real? Lol explain to me what that means and how it hasn't been "real" for the last 60 years.

You are skewing literal and figurative language. Mustang is not its own brand and never has been but you cutely conjecture that it is. I could argue this on the platform's history alone. However, the platform has never been more dedicated to itself then it has been with the S550 and S650 generations. The name plate is also growing. First it was with the EV and potentially next with a four door and off road variant. Furthermore, it is rumored to become it's own brand. But until that day the FORD Mustang is still a FORD!

 

[RebelMan]

Yeah well you’re not getting that with the NA Ford V8. It’s a top end motor not a bottom end one. That’s not going to change. As far as HP, I agree that 550 is doable but no one is going to pay GT500 money for 50HP. Also I’m not sure the 5.2 could handle 600 safely so tuners would probably stay away. Like it or not we are dealing with a small V8 and there is only two ways to get major HP. Turbo’s or Superchargers.

It's not practical with a NA Coyote, I get that. However, it is theoretically possible with with ram air induction, but let's not go down that rabbit hole.

People will pay regardless. Especially when it comes equipped with other tangibles outside of HP.

The 5.2 on E85 is most certainly able to do 600HP. Heck, the 5.0 on E85 can get within spitting range of that number now.

Heh, the Coyote is perhaps the largest V8 ever made for the Mustang. Bigger than that of the 429 which was a monster. It just doesn't have the displacement (although it has the HP) but I wouldn't call the motor "small".

Once again forced induction is the easy path to HP, but it's not just about HP. If it is for you then get a Tesla OR be embarrassed by one!

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Wrong!

It's all been speculative. You might want to look that up.

You are ignorant of the facts as you do not have them. Otherwise you would be able to... "Show me the money!" ... "Show Me the Money!!" ... "SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!"

You are skewing literal and figurative language. Mustang is not its own brand and never has been but you cutely conjecture that it is. I could argue this on the platform's history alone. However, the platform has never been more dedicated to itself then it has been with the S550 and S650 generations. The name plate is also growing. First it was with the EV and potentially next with a four door and off road variant. Furthermore, it is rumored to become it's own brand. But until that day the FORD Mustang is still a FORD!

You're arguing just to argue and being a condescending doushe. I'll let you continue this circle jerk with someone else.

 

[MustangMitch69]

All that's left really is the gt 500 which is coming next year most likely, the mustang raptor, and some mustang hybrids most likely. I don't see what they would have put out so many variants so soon if the plan was to make s650 a slow burn generation with a super long life span.

I don't understand where the business model is for the GT500, when you can already get:

1) a GT with a supercharger for less than $60K, great drag car.
2) a dark horse for the same price, great track car, no supercharger needed.
3) a Shelby GT350 for $110K which is mostly the same as #1, except +$10K for every place it says Shelby on it.
4) a Shelby Super Snake for $170K which is mostly the same as #3 plus some performance extras, but probably still not enough to beat a Z06 around a track which can be had brand new for $114K.

 

[DeluxeStang]

I don't understand where the business model is for the GT500, when you can already get:

1) a GT with a supercharger for less than $60K, great drag car.
2) a dark horse for the same price, great track car, no supercharger needed.
3) a Shelby GT350 for $110K which is mostly the same as #1, except +$10K for every place it says Shelby on it.
4) a Shelby Super Snake for $170K which is mostly the same as #3 plus some performance extras, but probably still not enough to beat a Z06 around a track which can be had brand new for $114K.

Basically it would be much better performing than the dark horse, while being cheaper, how much cheaper we'll see, than the gt 350. It is kinda needlessly confusing because you have Ford Shelby models like the previous gen GT 350 and gt 500, which really aren't Shelby models but are just given Shelby branding. Then you have the Shelby in las Vegas which is the company Caroll started that doesn't really have much to do with Ford anymore and is more of a glorified tuning shop making things like the super snake and other meh mustangs that they overcharge for because it says Shelby.

I can see what Ford is distancing themselves from the Shelby brand. It's a mess. Ford probably won't call their mustang gt 500 but instead something like Terminator.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Ford Shelby models like the previous gen GT 350 and gt 500, which really aren't Shelby models but are just given Shelby branding.

Please explain what you mean by this.

 

[LouG]

I believe so. Ford has said several times over the last few years that they intend to keep offering the V8 and well into the future. I don't see it going away for generation 8.

Great. Not that it's a big deal for me, this one's a keeper.
And, I'll never buy anything that's got more than one 12v battery.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Please explain what you mean by this.

It's kinda confusing, but you have the Shelby company that Carroll founded that made things like the cobra and original gt 350 back in the 60s. That company today operates out of Las Vegas, and makes aftermarket performance mustangs like the super snake. They're basically a tuning shop that buys mustangs from Ford, and then slaps someone else's supercharger and suspension kit on it, and charge over 100k.

The really impressive Shelby models we got during the s550 generation with the 5.2 flatplane gt 350, and the supercharged 5.2 gt 500 were engineered and designed entirely by Ford, and Ford performance, the company Shelby had nothing to do with their creation aside from agreeing to license their branding to ford.

Whereas things like the s650 gt 350 which is just a supercharged 5.0 kit, that's coming from Shelby and not from Ford, it's an aftermarket thing. I can see why Ford is trying to distance themselves from Shelby branding as it can be pretty confusing. Plus I've seen a lot of people giving credit to Shelby for Ford making things like the s550 gt 350 which was a great car.

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