2024 Mustang FORScan List / Database / Spreadsheet (by Livinitup)

[Yamazuki]

Especially when we also have evidence that people disabled the splash screen without tricking the car and let it believe that we deleted the seats.

Which is what I did.
My car still believes it has seats.
However, it also believes that it does not have seat belts.

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[smurfslayer]

A few months back I asked you about this Splash screen. You could not give an answer, because you said you didn't care about what it all cancels, since the values you made did what you want.

Great if that works for you and if that is your stance. But you should respect that others do care about what possible side effects it could have. Especially people living in countries where they could get serious problems when disabling safety features and only want to disable these features if they are 100% sure that by disabling some features will not come with side effects that can get you in serious trouble. Not only your own safety during a crash or something, but also to avoid problems with an insurance claim.

So yes, you don't care. I understand. Your car, your choice, but please respect other people opinions on why they are carefull about this until we really know that it will not effect anything.
The fact that we have to delete seats from the system to trick it, is enough evidence that people like me would wait and research a bit more before changing it this way.

Especially when we also have evidence that people disabled the splash screen without tricking the car and let it believe that we deleted the seats.

but again, everything posted so far about using non zero values to do the same thing is based on nothing more than conjecture And rumor mongering.

If you know how the airbags and sealt pre-tensioning works in a modern car, you would know that the earlier concerns are a facts, while being hit by a giant meteor is not.

Great! Ladies and gentlemen, we have an internet certified, genuine expert on modern vehicle seat belt pre tensioning and airbag expert right here ready to enlighten the great unwashed.

by all means, connect all the dots and educate us lower caste members

 

[GrabThatBlue]

but again, everything posted so far about using non zero values to do the same thing is based on nothing more than conjecture And rumor mongering.

Wrong.

It is based on 2 types of people who deleted the splash screen in 2 different ways.

1. People like you who deleted the seats out of the system.
2. Others who deleted the splash screen without deleting the seats.

This is not based on rumors but based on the description in the Forscan spreadsheet and based on the experience of the people who changed it, just like you.

 

[smurfslayer]

Wrong.

It is based on 2 types of people who deleted the splash screen in 2 different ways.

1. People like you who deleted the seats out of the system.
2. Others who deleted the splash screen without deleting the seats.

This is not based on rumors but based on the description in the Forscan spreadsheet and based on the experience of the people who changed it, just like you.

Ok, but what are the alleged side effects and is there any proof?

I can be convinced, but you’ve only shown that more than on value can suppress the belt splash screen, nobody has shown provable benefits to either method here, other than the result.

I‘m simply pointing out that this Forscan mod has taken on rumors, and innuendo posted by folks who —like me—, cannot factually claim a benefit or negative side effect to either way.

@npole. That is your cue to wow us with seat belt and airbag engineering mastery

so far, giant meteor looks more likely
https://www.astronomytrek.com/how-frequently-do-meteorites-strike-the-earth/

 

[Fruitstang]

@smurfslayer I recommend watching the video somewhere on YouTube showing the actual Mustang crashtests.
It is unbelievable how far the dummy flies forward until the seat belt tensioner goes off (actually you can't even identify that it pulls back the seatbelt, it will rather compensate the prolongation of the material).

Found it:

https://youtu.be/rFixaUr4Y18

No seat to me would automatically tell the system there is also no seat belt tensioner to activate, while "no seatbelt sensor" is more likely to activate the corresponding seatbelt tensioner just to make sure.

So you want evidence? Either an engineer at Ford who was involved in the control strategy programming can tell, or somebody performs a crash test similar to the official ones.

 

[Sofa King]

I can't understand why looking at the seatbelt screen for an entire minute every time you start the car is so annoying/inconvenient for so many people. I get in start the car and put on the seatbelt, I usually wait until the car idles down from the high idle at start (a minute or two), by the time I pull out of the garage that screen is gone. What's so hard about that? I can see this as an issue if you choose not to wear a seatbelt (people still do that?) as the screen won't go away. Unchecking the checkbox in the list of screens in the menu does this for me... not sure if different locations/production dates do it different, I have 9-23 built US car.

 

[npole]

Great! Ladies and gentlemen, we have an internet certified, genuine expert on modern vehicle seat belt pre tensioning and airbag expert right here ready to enlighten the great unwashed.

It's features available on modern cars that any car enthusiast would know. You don't need to be an "engineer". Pre-tensioning and airbag deployment works in combination with the seatbelt sensor (fastened), seat occupied and pre-collision sensors (when available).
If you mess with such sensors, there's different possible scenarios (which we don't know, hence the "worries"):

. Everything works as expected, because those sensors are monitored by a separate module that isn't directly connected with those editable modules (best scenario);
. Changing the sensors behavior or their presence will affect the vehicle safety with possible consequences:

- Seatbelts won't be tensioned in a crash, but the airbag will deploy: in a frontal impact, you gonna smash your head into the airbag at high speed, ending with serious injuries or worse;
- Seatbelts won't be tensioned and the airbag won't deploy: similarly to the above scenario, it'll be like driving a 70's car (in terms of safety), this could affect also the later airbags;

You don't know which of this scenarios will be true until you'll face the consequences.

As someone said, it's your car (and your life). But if you have an accident with a passenger and the passenger will be injured (or worse) because you tampered with the vehicle safety, you'll face the jail (here.. i dunno in your country), and the remorse (if you have any).

I don't care if you act like a 12yo, I'm not anymore, and as said you can do whatever you want with your car, but this is a public forum and pretending that there's ZERO risks doing this, is not the right approach. This is not about the dashboard colors, playing with anything that is related to the vehicle safety is no joke. So stop joking, we can discuss as adults, this is not a nursery.

 

[GrabThatBlue]

Ok, but what are the alleged side effects and is there any proof?

I can be convinced, but you’ve only shown that more than on value can suppress the belt splash screen, nobody has shown provable benefits to either method here, other than the result.

This question is already answered a couple of times to you today. Not only by me.

The issue is, you don't care how other people think and how other people make their decisions, so you ignored it. And now you are asking about it again?

Just read back if you really cared.

 

[A.alansari]

I can't understand why looking at the seatbelt screen for an entire minute every time you start the car is so annoying/inconvenient for so many people. I get in start the car and put on the seatbelt, I usually wait until the car idles down from the high idle at start (a minute or two), by the time I pull out of the garage that screen is gone. What's so hard about that? I can see this as an issue if you choose not to wear a seatbelt (people still do that?) as the screen won't go away. Unchecking the checkbox in the list of screens in the menu does this for me... not sure if different locations/production dates do it different, I have 9-23 built US car.

Its not the splash screen that you can skip there is a splash screen you can't skip at all it will appear if you have your seatbelt on then you remove the seatbelt the only way for this splash screen to go away you have to open the door or put the seatbelt on which is annoying if this only appears while the car is moving I won't mind it but it will happen even if the car still parked

 

[GrabThatBlue]

not sure if different locations/production dates do it different, I have 9-23 built US car.

I'm also not sure about it.

The only thing I know is

- Never heard a US spec person say that it didn't work after the change.
- My Canadian spec didn't work after the change.
- European spec worked after a change except 1 person. So I don't know if that one person made a mistake, didn't check the box in the screen to disable it, or he imported a US spec to Europe.

 

[smurfslayer]

No, it hasn’t been answered with evidence, it’s been alleged. Y’all keep saying the sky is falling but only provide opinions. Who’s pretending here and acting like a 12 YO?

its not me for asking for, you know, FACTS.
I’m the one who is convince-able here, the rest of you aren’t adding anything more than internet opinion and here is something that may sting, but is true:

your opinion is no more, or less significant than mine, or anyone else’s.

I don’t know everything and concede there may be a better way. Some of you are unwilling to admit you might be wrong.

at least @Fruitstang admits this. Kudos for at least advocating his position and being an adult

So you want evidence? Either an engineer at Ford who was involved in the control strategy programming can tell, or somebody performs a crash test similar to the official ones.

Let’s elevate this past where we are now. We’re ALL guessing here without factual data to back up any side effects this seat belt splash removal may, or may not cause. Until someone comes through with actual data, anyone asserting otherwise is being untruthful.

 

[GrabThatBlue]

No, it hasn’t been answered with evidence, it’s been alleged. Y’all keep saying the sky is falling but only provide opinions. Who’s pretending here and acting like a 12 YO?

its not me for asking for, you know, FACTS.
I’m the one who is convince-able here, the rest of you aren’t adding anything more than internet opinion and here is something that may sting, but is true:

your opinion is no more, or less significant than mine, or anyone else’s.

I don’t know everything and concede there may be a better way. Some of you are unwilling to admit you might be wrong.

at least @Fruitstang admits this. Kudos for at least advocating his position and being an adult




Let’s elevate this past where we are now. We’re ALL guessing here without factual data to back up any side effects this seat belt splash removal may, or may not cause. Until someone comes through with actual data, anyone asserting otherwise is being untruthful.

This is the last time to explain this to you.

We don't need evidence that deleting seats in your car from the system will cause safety issues.

The fact that you also don't have evidence that it won't cause safety issues is the reason why not many people want to go your way.

Maybe I will change it after you crash your car and report back to me that all safety features worked.

 

[npole]

No, it hasn’t been answered with evidence, it’s been alleged. Y’all keep saying the sky is falling but only provide opinions. Who’s pretending here and acting like a 12 YO?

What you don't understand is that while your opinion is equivalent to mine, because none of us will know for sure, unless someone from Ford will confirm how the software works; what I've highlighted is that there's the POSSIBILITY of something "bad" happening, based on a logical deduction; while your opinion is just about "I hope nothing happens" (with no logical reason which will support it).

Since we're talking about our (and our passengers) life, the fact that this possibility exists, it's enough (for some people) to not play with it, unless there's some sort of confirmation (which is unlikely to happens, since I don't see anyone doing a "crash test", nor an engineer from Ford coming here talking about it).

Do you accept the risk? Great, that's enough. There's no need to convince the others with idiotic sentences, not based on facts.

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