S650 Information from ECat (Electronic Catalog) – Part Numbers, Technical Specs, Hidden Features

[roket]

How do you know if your car will have the reduced capacity amp?

it will say on the window sticker along with a $100 credit

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[LETHAL]

Thanks for the findings, really interesting stuff


Sounds like a really big missed opportunity if true since the DH logo already has a great shape for a keyfob

Extra SKU= extra cost. lol

 

[Stevefreestyle]

Today i checked ECat to see if Ford finally added S650 details to it yet, and they have, so i'm sharing some information with you guys

1. S650 part numbers that are new start with "PR3Z"
2. Ford is really weird about what has prices and what doesn't for the time being
3. The fuel system is the exact same as the S550, so no larger fuel tank or anything
4. All V8s have a dual cold air intake system (filters are not the same as the GT350/GT500/M1/Bullitt)

5. It looks like either all V8s have the GT500 cams, or none of them do, because there is only Left intake and exhaust, and right intake and exhaust, and they start with PR3Z
6. The oil filter on the V8s are still in the same, terrible place
7. The front underbody shield is now up to 4 parts, but even a base EcoBoost gets an oil pan shield now

(Dark Horse diagram shown)
8. The connecting rods, engine block, and crankshaft have what looks like different parts for the GT and DH engines
(DH is "5.0L V8 32V DOHC EFI Modular", GT is "MOD 5.0L-4V DOHC SEFI NA")

9. Mufflers, resonator, and individual active exhaust parts can now be bought separate instead of having to buy the whole cat-back system

10. VDM is now mounted on the back of the trunk instead of under where the subwoofer would be
11. We now have brake-by-wire
12. There's mention of a DeurOS and Sync 4 in the infotainment parts, and different parts for each one
13. If you get the reduced capacity amplifier, you will need to replace a lot more than just the amp to undo that
14. A trailer towing module???

15. 6 taillight part numbers (PR3Z-13404/5-A/B/C), C seems to be the ones with the indicator at the bottom, A and B look the same? (no wiring info yet, can't tell)
16. Mustang joins the list of Fords where the Gateway Module is no longer the thing with the OBD2 port, but it's now hidden behind the center stack
17. Dedicated emergency call/SOS button
18. Confirmed Dark Horse puddle lamps (looks like it might be US only? uncertain)

19. Seats in Black Onyx, Medium Space Grey, Medium Light Space Grey, Carmine, Harvest Bronze, Deep Indigo, and Bright Indigo
20. Confirmed no heated/cooled functionality for Recaro seats (missing heating elements and blower assemblies)
21. No more secret compartment for the owner's manual
22. Unlikely unique Dark Horse keyfob

23. Different stripe designs for GT vs EcoBoost
24. Transmission cooler moved in front of the radiator
25. Stitching colors are Metal Grey, Gallery Grey, Race Red, Bright Indigo, Black
26. New version of the MT-82? has new part number
27. New version of the Tremec TR3160? has new part number too

Definitely some interesting findings and hopefully it answered some questions that were unknown until now

Thanks, some great info, greatly appreciated! Could you shed some light on how we can identify or know if we get the "Reduced Capacity Amplifier" , and how can we ensure we DO NOT get it when ordering ?

 

[Stevefreestyle]

I think brake by wire is for the parking brake, not the actual brakes...

Or does "Drive by Wire" braking replace the Vacuum Booster ?

 

[Stevefreestyle]

Brake by wire - I don't like this at all.

Agreed ....Look...." Essentially, a brake-by-wire system controls the brakes electronically. A position sensor monitors (ahhhhh!) how far the driver has pushed the brake pedal, which is used to determine the amount of braking force requested. A control unit (ahhhhh!) then determines how much hydraulic pressure is required, and an electric pump is used to actually generate that pressure and stop the car. Here's How Brake-by-Wire Works, and Why It's Perfectly Safe (roadandtrack.com)

So these electronic Sensors, Electric Pumps & Control Units are so robust, ultra-reliable and infallible, there is NO Need for Ford to carry Replacement Spares ???

Usually with a convectional physical Master Cyl & Brake Booster, there is a gradual performance deterioration, giving prior warning. This is not the case with electronics.

 

[Q6543]

Boy do I remember people hating on “drive by wire”

 

[BLITZM]

From what can gather, C8 Corvette and the new BMW M2 both have brake-by-wire.
I'm really not happy about this.

 

[roket]

Thanks, some great info, greatly appreciated! Could you shed some light on how we can identify or know if we get the "Reduced Capacity Amplifier" , and how can we ensure we DO NOT get it when ordering ?

there's 2 ways to figure out if you have the reduced capacity amplifier
1. check the window sticker, and if it has a line with the cost "-$100" you probably have it
2. be that one guy at the car meet that blasts music only to realize it's harder to blow out your speakers
though there is an important note for this
As of now, there isn't even a part number for a reduced capacity amplifier, and it seems to be a backup plan for if/when supply chain shortages get even worse
for right now, it's probably not even worth worrying about

 

[roket]

From what can gather, C8 Corvette and the new BMW M2 both have brake-by-wire.
I'm really not happy about this.

if you're worried about the reliability, here's some information i found about brake-by-wire to hopefully ease your worries
it's been around since about 1998, mainly used on hybrids and EVs, so it's had about 25 years of developments and improvements, and all systems have a feature where if something goes wrong, a bypass valve opens and it works like a regular brake system, just without a booster
Engineering Explained has a really good video explaining it here

 

[erocker]

if you're worried about the reliability, here's some information i found about brake-by-wire to hopefully ease your worries
it's been around since about 1998, mainly used on hybrids and EVs, so it's had about 25 years of developments and improvements, and all systems have a feature where if something goes wrong, a bypass valve opens and it works like a regular brake system, just without a booster
Engineering Explained has a really good video explaining it here

End of the day, it's still got a hydraulic system with lines and fluid like a traditional system.

 

[Stevefreestyle]

there's 2 ways to figure out if you have the reduced capacity amplifier
1. check the window sticker, and if it has a line with the cost "-$100" you probably have it
2. be that one guy at the car meet that blasts music only to realize it's harder to blow out your speakers
though there is an important note for this
As of now, there isn't even a part number for a reduced capacity amplifier, and it seems to be a backup plan for if/when supply chain shortages get even worse
for right now, it's probably not even worth worrying about

Thanks, ..............but ...........Oh NO! It will be Harder to blow out our speakers !! lol!

Although its a "worst case" contingency plan, its not hugely encouraging in the context of a possible worsening supply chain scenario.

Anyway I found the Option number = 17V, on P.2 of the Price List

Microsoft Word - 2024MY Mustang PL420 Price List (mustang7g.com)

 

[Stevefreestyle]

End of the day, it's still got a hydraulic system with lines and fluid like a traditional system.

Apparantly replaces the conventional Vacuum Brake Booster & Master Cylinder with electronic sensors and an electric hydraulic pump.

 

[roket]

it seems Ford just added wiring diagrams to PTS, so here's some new info, as well as some misc new stuff
1. there is a completely different connector and wiring for NA vs Export taillights
NA connector

NA wiring

-----
Export connector

Export wiring

2. it might be possible to retrofit a vehicle without the mirror USB ports with them, using PR3Z-14A411-E and PR3Z-17D550-BA? it uses fuse 139
3. the 2024 Mustangs are 82 inches wide with mirrors, which makes me wonder why they dont have marker lights? normally vehicles over 80 inches wide require them, unless those new ones they added count? idk
4. here's the curb weight of all the mustangs

​	MT Coupe​	AT Coupe​	MT Convertible​	AT Convertible​
EcoBoost​	N/A​	3,579 lbs​	N/A​	3,747 lbs​
GT​	3,741 lbs​	3,763 lbs​	3,933 lbs​	3,948 lbs​
Dark Horse​	3,879 lbs​	3,924 lbs​	N/A​	N/A​

i have no clue why the DH gains 45 lbs from the auto while the GT gains 22, but ok Ford
5. EcoBoost is said to have a 16 gal fuel tank instead of the supposed 15.5 gal the S550 had
6. AM radio has been removed
7. Dark Horse sill plates do not light up (why??????)
8. i read somewhere that the Dark Horse will not have the rear view mirror USB ports, that is false. it will have them standard
9. Dark Horse will have no leather seats, but will have a leather steering wheel with suede "performance" insert
10. the black GT performance pack wheels are not a part of the Nite Pony + GTPP package, they're the optional ones

this one is the Nite Pony + GTPP wheel
11. "electronic sound enhancement" is standard on everything
12. adjustable strut top mounts are Dark Horse exclusive
13. Fail-Safe engine cooling system where if there is loss of coolant, the vehicle will run at reduced power on alternating cylinders for a short distance with A/C disabled
14. completely new look for the track apps

15. track apps show an actual progress bar now
16. MyColor now has over 100 colors to choose
17. EPA fuel economy ratings

	City​	Highway​	Combined​
EcoBoost AT Coupe​	22​	33​	26​
EcoBoost AT Convertible​	TBA​	TBA​	TBA​
EcoBoost AT Coupe HPP​	21​	29​	24​
GT MT Coupe​	TBA​	TBA​	TBA​
GT AT Coupe​	15​	24​	18​
GT MT Convertible​	TBA​	TBA​	TBA​
GT AT Convertible​	TBA​	TBA​	TBA​
Dark Horse MT​	14​	22​	17​
Dark Horse AT​	TBA​	TBA​	TBA​

18. EPAS has "pull-drift compensation" and "active nibble control"
19. night time renders of all the colors except blue ember (with the old 20" wheels for some reason?)
Atlas Blue

Carbonized Grey

Dark Matter Grey

Grabber Blue Metallic

Iconic Silver

Oxford White

Race Red

Rapid Red

Shadow Black

Yellow Splash

Vapor Blue

20. Auto Start/Stop inclusion worded as if it's EcoBoost exclusive? there is a part for the buttons labeled "less electric starter" being PR3Z-18C858-BA
21. MyMode is now MyMustang and there are 6 savable modes instead of just 1
22. EcoBoost has an "Overboost" feature to give you extra power for up to 15 seconds (no details on cooldown time)
23. a whopping 1,000 lbs trailer towing capacity!!! who needs an F-450?
24. render of the Wheel and Stripe package

25. Sway Bar diameters

	EcoBoost​	GT​	Dark Horse​
Coupe​	32mm F/21.7mm R​	32mm F/21.7mm R (Non-GTPP) 32mm F/24mm R (GTPP)​	33.3mm F/24mm R​
Convertible​	32mm F/20mm R​	32mm F/20mm R (Non-GTPP) 32mm F/21.7mm R (GTPP)​	N/A​

26. activating the drift brake will automatically put you into track mode

funny bonus thing, in the workshop manual for "GROANING NOISE - OCCURS AT LOW SPEEDS WITH BRAKE LIGHTLY APPLIED (CREEPING)", it's only one step and if "yes" is clicked it's said to be an "acceptable condition", but if "no" is clicked it's said for the repair to be complete

 

[Dub347sbf]

4. here's the curb weight of all the mustangs

​	MT Coupe​	AT Coupe​	MT Convertible​	AT Convertible​
EcoBoost​	N/A​	3,579 lbs​	N/A​	3,747 lbs​
GT​	3,741 lbs​	3,763 lbs​	3,933 lbs​	3,948 lbs​
Dark Horse​	3,879 lbs​	3,924 lbs​	N/A​	N/A​

i have no clue why the DH gains 45 lbs from the auto while the GT gains 22, but ok Ford

Love all the info @roket Thank you! I may know this one, the Auto Dark Horse has an additional (2 instead of 1) transmission cooler. At least it did on the Mach 1. That would be where the added weight is from if I had to guess. This is from a Ford Mach 1 press release:

Mach 1 was 3868/3913, 45 pound difference between MY and AT. They kept the weight super close (11 pounds) for S650 DH, heck yes.

Also, boo on DH non-lighting sill plates, but I'm super happy about the increased power to weight ratio, can't win them all.

 

[Stevefreestyle]

it seems Ford just added wiring diagrams to PTS, so here's some new info, as well as some misc new stuff
1. there is a completely different connector and wiring for NA vs Export taillights
NA connector

NA wiring

-----
Export connector

Export wiring

2. it might be possible to retrofit a vehicle without the mirror USB ports with them, using PR3Z-14A411-E and PR3Z-17D550-BA? it uses fuse 139
3. the 2024 Mustangs are 82 inches wide with mirrors, which makes me wonder why they dont have marker lights? normally vehicles over 80 inches wide require them, unless those new ones they added count? idk

Thanks for the Info Rocket, however it seems the Sequential Tail Lights are not happening for our "Export" 2024 Mustangs :(

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