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The GT3 sits at 1315KG (2900lbs) according to IMSA spec sheets so I'd expect the GTD to be a little more than that.
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There’s the “808” hp V8 that was initially supposed to be in a GT500 a few years ago.

The GTD will also be the direction the overall design is headed in the near future. See the cover of Car & Driver November 2012. That render was developed by C&D based on leaked CAD data. Unfortunately, the design was more S650 than S550 that came out in 2015.

Both S550 and S650 programs have A LOT in common.
 

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so, you can spend 350K+ for 815hp and 664lb-ft, or spend 10k on top of a base GT or DH for... 815hp and 615lb-ft with warranty, 875hp without warranty. i honestly expected closer to the high 800s in terms of power for the GTD. i understand you get active aero, better weight distribution, carbon fiber body, carbon ceramic brakes, and all that for the price, but on just power alone, this is kinda disappointing
I mean, if you're only looking at power, respectfully, you're missing the most important aspects about this car.
 

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The GT3 sits at 1315KG (2900lbs) according to IMSA spec sheets so I'd expect the GTD to be a little more than that.
According to the head of Multimatic, don't know his name, but he's the guy with the mad scientist hair and glasses, he said the weight is comparable to a gt 500. But that doesn't sound right. I think he misspoke having talked about the car all day.
 

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For a regular GT500 tier car, it would be fine.

But for 325-400+k?

YOu bet it's a disappointment.

I have been fangirling over this car since I first saw the concept before the GTD was even announced.

But after the ZR1 came and stole its thunder, it really needed to reach for the starts, not offer the saem engine/supercharger combo you can get from your dealer.

The suspension is great, but is it an extra 250-350+ k great?

And the sub 7 minute ring time was a given. It needes to get deep into the 6 minute time frame to justify the price and the hype they've been giving it. It needs to touch the GT2 RS, not just the GT3. and the ZR1 looks to be BEATING the GT2 RS if reports are to be beleived. Now we get BARELY over 800 HP when dodge has been providing more than that for far cheaper. And the ZR1 embarasses that number - even the torque is way higher than the GTD. 664 lb-ft? Serious? If ever there was a moment to do a turbo 5.0, 5.2, whatever, this was it. Sheesh.

If the GTD came out 6 months ago, it would be a different story. It would a GT500 that handles like a dream. Instead, they drag their feet, the corvette comes in and completely embarasses it - and it's not even a one-off hideously expensive experiment!

Sad day.
This has to be a troll post. You think the ZR1 is gonna be 100 grand when the zo6 is like 120-150k lol.
 


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Yup, it’s all about the total package. It’s very possible for a car to have more power and be slower due to lack of traction, imbalances, etc. If it outperforms its competitor from Porsche then it’s a success
Exactly, the zr1 may have more power, but it's also gonna be heavier most likely, with worse tires, and less downforce.
 

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So let’s nail this down some… I think the ZR1 is going to be 300K plus (msrp is not part of the discussion unless you’re jay leno or Johnny GM)

And it won’t be within 10 seconds of the GTD.
Further proving the BARGAIN… that the GTD is.

If they say they’re targeting sub 7, I think they’re going for 6:30s #1
I'd say 6:50.
 

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This has to be a troll post. You think the ZR1 is gonna be 100 grand when the zo6 is like 120-150k lol.
never said 100k. It will likely be 200 or so, depending on package. The GTD is well over 400k depending on package.
the part where I questioned if the suspension was worth and extra 200-350k was referring to the GTD btw. I think you confused something.
 

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So let’s nail this down some… I think the ZR1 is going to be 300K plus (msrp is not part of the discussion unless you’re jay leno or Johnny GM)

And it won’t be within 10 seconds of the GTD.
Further proving the BARGAIN… that the GTD is.

If they say they’re targeting sub 7, I think they’re going for 6:30s #1
Literally everyone, even GM officials, have stated behind closed doors that the ZR1 will be more expensive than the Z06 but still within a reasonable price range... $200k will be a viable price. There might be some options to push the price but one will be able to buy a ZR1 for $200k.

Besides, I think a street legal GT3 car might reach the no. 1 spot and beat Porsche. However, based on what we know there is only one option left the GTD could manage to reach that: lightweight. As of right now we don’t know the exact weight of the GTD. If it comes in close to the GT3 car (1289kg) it will most likely beat the GT2 RS, which weighs in at 1390kg. So as long as the GTD will weigh less than 1450kg it should be able to beat every other contender. But that would also mean that the GTD is NOT a S650 but an entirely new car that just looks like a Mustang. If the GTD is a derivative of the S650, which it most likely is not, it will weigh more at around 1800kg. I’m looking forward to the tire setup on the Nürburgring.
 

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Pre-game hype goes to ZR-1, and it is not particularly close.
1000+hp > 800+ hp; 212+ mph > 203 mph; in-house developed > outsourcing (which Corvette was keen to hype at ZR-1 reveal); ~ $180K price < $330K price. Normal allocation model > limited lottery to influencers. Lot of people waving a very premature checkered flag for GTD, but I think Corvette popped the GTD hype balloon. The Zora footage on the Nurburgring testing just as GTD is supposed to be showing their run is keeping it down. The GTD better have a crazy ass time.
 

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Thinking a GM in house vehicle can compare to a bespoke multimatic car is the disconnect from what I’m reading.
 

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dont care if this is the wrong place for ring times. guessing 6:55. it needs to beat some of the 911's
 

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dont care if this is the wrong place for ring times. guessing 6:55. it needs to beat some of the 911's
It will beat quite a few 911 but will it beat the GT2 RS that is already seven years old? Possibly...

Current GT3 class cars would lap the NĂĽrburgring at 6:35 something. If the GTD is a street legal version of the GT3 class Mustang - and current information point in that direction - with 800hp instead of some 550hp (GT3 class limitation), it is imaginable that the GTD sets a new record.

A regular S650 derivative would never be able to do that, not even with double the HP but if the GTD is truly a bespoke Multimatic build it might pull it off.

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What is imaginable:
GTD sub 6:30 (new record)
ZR1 beating the GT2 RS '21 version (sub 6:38)

The new GT2RS will most likely beat the '21 tuning version so it will be interesting to see how it compares to the AMG One...
 

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I’m expecting it to be 5-600lbs lighter than the ZR1.

GTD somewhere around 32-3300 ish… ZR1 closer to 38-3900 ish.
Hell, boschma just got his S650 down to 3150 without anything exotic and full IRS.
I heard the weight of the GTD is about "3972 lbs."!!!!
 

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Yeah if it’s 3900 lbs than that’s a deal breaker for sure. That would be a huge disappointment.
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