How long do you think the S650 will stay in production?

[DeluxeStang]

Ah yes, ICE selling more is bad for ICE lol Things are different now.

What he's saying is all car companies have to meet a minimum fleet wide emissions target. Think of it like a class where to pass, the students have to average getting a 73% grade on the final exam, if you have really smart students who get a 100% or close to it, that pushes the average up for the class, meaning even if you have a few students who fail the test, because of the students that aced it, the class will be able to meet that 73% average, and pass the class.

But if your top students don't show up to class to take the test, then your students aren't gonna pass. It's the same with cars, if you offer and sell enough low emissions vehicles, that pushes your average up where it needs to be, let's say the government requires that your fleet across the lineup has to average 30 mpg. If you make a hybrid that gets 50 mpg and sell a lot of them, you can get away with selling a V8 muscle car that gets 27 mpg because your lineup still exceeds that 30 mpg mark because of the EVs and hybrids you sold.

But if the sales numbers of your EVs and hybrids go down, it's gonna increase your fleet wide emissions, and that's gonna make it harder to sell high emission engines like you find in performance cars and trucks.

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[Zig]

What he's saying is all car companies have to meet a minimum fleet wide emissions target. Think of it like a class where to pass, the students have to average getting a 73% grade on the final exam, if you have really smart students who get a 100% or close to it, that pushes the average up for the class, meaning even if you have a few students who fail the test, because of the students that aced it, the class will be able to meet that 73% average, and pass the class.

But if your top students don't show up to class to take the test, then your students aren't gonna pass. It's the same with cars, if you offer and sell enough low emissions vehicles, that pushes your average up where it needs to be, let's say the government requires that your fleet across the lineup has to average 30 mpg. If you make a hybrid that gets 50 mpg and sell a lot of them, you can get away with selling a V8 muscle car that gets 27 mpg because your lineup still exceeds that 30 mpg mark because of the EVs and hybrids you sold.

But if the sales numbers of your EVs and hybrids go down, it's gonna increase your fleet wide emissions, and that's gonna make it harder to sell high emission engines like you find in performance cars and trucks.

Which would make exotics illegal? Or do they have to include a pedal powered portable personal propelling peripheral ?

 

[Saphire]

Seems our politicians are going to send us back to the Stone Age. Here's Fred's Cadillac and Barney's Mustang.

 

[Mustang1987]

What he's saying is all car companies have to meet a minimum fleet wide emissions target. Think of it like a class where to pass, the students have to average getting a 73% grade on the final exam, if you have really smart students who get a 100% or close to it, that pushes the average up for the class, meaning even if you have a few students who fail the test, because of the students that aced it, the class will be able to meet that 73% average, and pass the class.

But if your top students don't show up to class to take the test, then your students aren't gonna pass. It's the same with cars, if you offer and sell enough low emissions vehicles, that pushes your average up where it needs to be, let's say the government requires that your fleet across the lineup has to average 30 mpg. If you make a hybrid that gets 50 mpg and sell a lot of them, you can get away with selling a V8 muscle car that gets 27 mpg because your lineup still exceeds that 30 mpg mark because of the EVs and hybrids you sold.

But if the sales numbers of your EVs and hybrids go down, it's gonna increase your fleet wide emissions, and that's gonna make it harder to sell high emission engines like you find in performance cars and trucks.

There are no CAFE penalties anymore under the new bill. Also EV credits end in September as well which is going to drop EV sales even further.

 

[Zig]

Seems our politicians are going to send us back to the Stone Age. Here's Fred's Cadillac and Barney's Mustang.

 

[Saphire]

Looks like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

 

[Saphire]

California's San Francisco Bay Area is losing to gas refineries in order to refine plant based oils to make diesel fuels. So 2 out of the 5 Bay areas refineries which produce gas will no longer produce gas. Fuel prices are going to soar. This fuel is distributed not only in California but other states as well. Prices for gas are already high. The politicians want California to fail. This way they can promise to fix it. As they never seem to do.

 

[Q6543]

Well… I’ll definitely be listening to the conference call Wednesday afternoon… just guessing but

I think Ford got caught flat footed, they were 100% committed to EV future… still are, but now have to bide time for a extended cycle, iirc plans were full electric by 2032… aside from fleet trucks etc.

I could see the S650 lasting quite awhile as a placeholder until the transition ramps up, probably drag out the cobra release another year or 2, push out the refresh beyond that and manage the situation in real time…

The company firmly wants EVs to lower warranty costs, assembly costs, better profitability.
They are trying to restructure for the next 100 years, they don’t care about boomers.

 

[Saphire]

Well… I’ll definitely be listening to the conference call Wednesday afternoon… just guessing but

I think Ford got caught flat footed, they were 100% committed to EV future… still are, but now have to bide time for a extended cycle, iirc plans were full electric by 2032… aside from fleet trucks etc.

I could see the S650 lasting quite awhile as a placeholder until the transition ramps up, probably drag out the cobra release another year or 2, push out the refresh beyond that and manage the situation in real time…

The company firmly wants EVs to lower warranty costs, assembly costs, better profitability.
They are trying to restructure for the next 100 years, they don’t care about boomers.

Plus De-Population will kick in. This is their Demonic plan. Their Master Plan.

 

[Mustang1987]

Well… I’ll definitely be listening to the conference call Wednesday afternoon… just guessing but

I think Ford got caught flat footed, they were 100% committed to EV future… still are, but now have to bide time for a extended cycle, iirc plans were full electric by 2032… aside from fleet trucks etc.

I could see the S650 lasting quite awhile as a placeholder until the transition ramps up, probably drag out the cobra release another year or 2, push out the refresh beyond that and manage the situation in real time…

The company firmly wants EVs to lower warranty costs, assembly costs, better profitability.
They are trying to restructure for the next 100 years, they don’t care about boomers.

It was never going to be full electric in 7 years lol EVs are getting less popular.

 

[Q6543]

It was never going to be full electric in 7 years lol EVs are getting less popular.

You need to take a step back, circa 2018-2020 it WAS full EV transition over the next 12-15 years

Not today in 2025/7 years out, Bronco was scheduled for EV by 2032 back then also… everything but ICE fleet trucks and low volume specialty vehicles.

 

[Saphire]

You need to take a step back, circa 2018-2020 it WAS full EV transition over the next 12-15 years

Not today in 2025/7 years out, Bronco was scheduled for EV by 2032 back then also… everything but ICE fleet trucks and low volume specialty vehicles.

Was sitting watching cars go by. Tesla after Tesla, including a Charger , went by. It's strange how a Tesla stops at a nail salon and empties out at least five female workers. Is slavery happening right under our noses? I see this a lot. These vehicles windows are tinted extremely dark.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

But what platform will the sedan use? D2C doesn't have a flexible wheelbase does it? DEW98 did which the D2C was derived from. Would the sedan be a modified CD4?

Ford already has a 4 door sedan Mustang. It's called the Mach-e. Why would they make another one?

 

[DeluxeStang]

Was gonna say if the ev lost why would the standards remain?

Even if Trump did away with all emissions standards, it wouldn't really change the direction of the auto industry. Brands spent billions of dollars on hybrid and EV tech, they aren't gonna throw it out because of what one administration does, especially when those standards are pretty much guaranteed to go back in place once Trump is out of office, these things go back and forth so much that brands quite literally can't change their product plans based

There are no CAFE penalties anymore under the new bill. Also EV credits end in September as well which is going to drop EV sales even further.

Once more, this will almost certainly be reversed under the next administration and even if it isn't, it's not gonna change as much as people think. Car companies don't base product decisions off the will of a single administration lol because the desires of politicians seem to shift with the seasons. Any project Ford starts right now won't come out until after Trump is out of office, it takes that long.

 

[Mustang1987]

Once more, this will almost certainly be reversed under the next administration and even if it isn't, it's not gonna change as much as people think. Car companies don't base product decisions off the will of a single administration lol because the desires of politicians seem to shift with the seasons. Any project Ford starts right now won't come out until after Trump is out of office, it takes that long.

Woahhh don't move those goal posts buddy. You said to me that low EV sales are terrible for ICE engines. I said no because the CAFE penalties don't exist anymore. So low EV sales are not bad for ICE. Low EV sales are bad for EVs.

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