How long do you think the S650 will stay in production?

[AZ_Ryan]

Obviously there is no way to know this but reasonable thinking would say this is not really possible. Ford is telling us what we want to hear. That the V8 will continue as long as possible. If they can keep the S650 going I believe it. But if there is to be a Gen 8 it most likely hybird or even possibly a pure EV. If a hybrid then the V8 will not be in it. Why you ask? Simple, weight and cost. And don’t even think of AWD with a V8.

All the EV and Hybrid stuff is just boogie man talk until proven otherwise. That's not say there won't be variants, but this notion that ALL future Mustangs will be EV or hybrid by the next-generation is vastly premature.

And even if the next generation GT doesn't have a V8, you can bet there will be some variant that will.

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[DeluxeStang]

Obviously there is no way to know this but reasonable thinking would say this is not really possible. Ford is telling us what we want to hear. That the V8 will continue as long as possible. If they can keep the S650 going I believe it. But if there is to be a Gen 8 it most likely hybird or even possibly a pure EV. If a hybrid then the V8 will not be in it. Why you ask? Simple, weight and cost. And don’t even think of AWD with a V8.

So they were working on a hybrid V8 program back in the day for s650 that might be started back up again. Ford's CEO seems to imply the V8 will continue past the s650. Going with a hybrid 5.0 setup combined with a slightly longer wheelbase and wider track could help Ford to comply with regulations for another decade or two, maybe longer if things advance enough.

It's also worth noting one of the biggest things working against V8s is CAFE averages, for people who aren't familiar there are average fuel and emissions averages brands have to meet. How they meet them doesn't matter a ton, just as long as they're met.

If Ford produces a lot of hybrids and EVs with below average emissions, they should still be able to meet those emission averages even if they make higher emissions vehicles like V8 mustangs. Ford's selling a ton of hybrids right now, and their affordable EVs are right around the corner, affordable EVs almost always have a ton of demand, so Ford should sell a lot of those as well.

So if they keep making environmentally friendly vehicles and selling a lot of them, v8 mustangs should hopefully live for a long time.

 

[DeluxeStang]

No single car will ever sell enough to justify its own platform (exotica apart) - they simply cost too much

Which is why Ford is being smart by developing a mustang sedan, and yes, we're hearing from multiple sources that sedan is moving forward and will be s650 based. I know some staunch traditionalists don't like the idea, my take on the matter is as long as the coupe sticks around, I have no issue with its platform being shared with a mustang sedan.

Having more vehicles share the same platform is going to significantly increase sales volume and revenue, which will in turn encourage additional investment in bettering that platform, which benefits those of us who love the coupe. Plus we get an awesome V8 powered performance sedan on top of that.

 

[MaddNomad]

So out of curiosity, how do you think Toyota is financially justifying doing so many different sports cars and coupes at a time when those segments are in decline? We should study this so other brands can find out how to make it feasible for them as well.

Honestly it’s not a secret that their board doesn’t like sports cars for historic reasons. Akio is the one who spearheaded their new renaissance as the CEO (now as the head of the board), but did it over time.

He’s trying his absolute hardest to create enthusiasts cars that can capture each segment. They’re able to do so because they sell so many regular, reliable vehicles that all are platformed shared across each segment. For example, Tundra, Tacoma, 4runner, GX etc all ride on the same architecture.

Ford does things kinda in reverse, where they have insanely iconic models throughout different segments. Even with trucks they had to position the Tundra differently because the F150 is sold like a Camry in the states. It’s like a anomaly to people I’ve talked to.

It’s funny because where some would think the Mustang sales are dire, Akio would kill to have a car like the Mustang. Though I do understand what everyone is saying on here.

 

[Bikeman315]

So they were working on a hybrid V8 program back in the day for s650 that might be started back up again. Ford's CEO seems to imply the V8 will continue past the s650. Going with a hybrid 5.0 setup combined with a slightly longer wheelbase and wider track could help Ford to comply with regulations for another decade or two, maybe longer if things advance enough.

It's also worth noting one of the biggest things working against V8s is CAFE averages, for people who aren't familiar there are average fuel and emissions averages brands have to meet. How they meet them doesn't matter a ton, just as long as they're met.

If Ford produces a lot of hybrids and EVs with below average emissions, they should still be able to meet those emission averages even if they make higher emissions vehicles like V8 mustangs. Ford's selling a ton of hybrids right now, and their affordable EVs are right around the corner, affordable EVs almost always have a ton of demand, so Ford should sell a lot of those as well.

So if they keep making environmentally friendly vehicles and selling a lot of them, v8 mustangs should hopefully live for a long time.

Today’s political climate is working against us. There appears to be an all out war on EV‘s. If it continues and sales continue to drop so do our chances of our V8’s continuation. This could serious affect the mid year refresh on the S650 and on Gen 8.

 

[Bikeman315]

All the EV and Hybrid stuff is just boogie man talk until proven otherwise. That's not say there won't be variants, but this notion that ALL future Mustangs will be EV or hybrid by the next-generation is vastly premature.

And even if the next generation GT doesn't have a V8, you can bet there will be some variant that will.

Having a V8 beyond the S650 is bogeyman talk too. None of us have any clue. It’s all speculation. But, damn, it’s fun!

 

[Saphire]

Which is why Ford is being smart by developing a mustang sedan, and yes, we're hearing from multiple sources that sedan is moving forward and will be s650 based. I know some staunch traditionalists don't like the idea, my take on the matter is as long as the coupe sticks around, I have no issue with its platform being shared with a mustang sedan.

Having more vehicles share the same platform is going to significantly increase sales volume and revenue, which will in turn encourage additional investment in bettering that platform, which benefits those of us who love the coupe. Plus we get an awesome V8 powered performance sedan on top of that.

America needs a 4-door sedan. Not a big boat if a Cadillac either. Look at the Camry. I see young families in them all over. Many of them look really nice too.

 

[Mustang1987]

They can certainly quit making the Mustang and still do NASCAR.

I wouldn't be surprised if NASCAR switched to SUV/CUV's

Chevrolet still runs the Camaro every Sunday

plus they can just stick some other name on the car. They used to run a Taurus....

And other races....Ford SuperVan anyone?

I don't know anything about NASCAR, but I did a quick search and it says that a car body can be run up to three years after the model year. Is that true?

 

[Saphire]

Today’s political climate is working against us. There appears to be an all out war on EV‘s. If it continues and sales continue to drop so do our chances of our V8’s continuation. This could serious affect the mid year refresh on the S650 and on Gen 8.

How so? They stop making EVs and the V8 is doomed? This is my take on what you wrote.

 

[MaddNomad]

America needs a 4-door sedan. Not a big boat if a Cadillac either. Look at the Camry. I see young families in them all over. Many of them look really nice too.

Cadillac has the CT4 and CT5 they’re not that big (quite fun too). Camry does well because of price and reliability.

 

[Bikeman315]

How so? They stop making EVs and the V8 is doomed? This is my take on what you wrote.

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[Saphire]

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Forget it. The war against the EV will be won.

 

[Mustang1987]

Having a V8 beyond the S650 is bogeyman talk too. None of us have any clue. It’s all speculation. But, damn, it’s fun!

Ford isn't going to stop making a v8. They saw all the blowback that Dodge received and Dodge had to reverse their decision. There will certainly be new models and drivetrain options for sure. But v8 will be there.

 

[Bikeman315]

Forget it. The war against the EV will be won.

And if it is you can kiss you V8‘s goodbye. Be real careful what you wish for.

 

[Saphire]

And if it is you can kiss you V8‘s goodbye. Be real careful what you wish for.

. So we won a war against Japan, so we're all now Japanese?

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