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[Stratman397]

Give it 15 yrs of the EV, once our horrible EV and power grid blows up and leaves millions without power. They will reverse bring gas engines back regardless of sales. I hear the movement but don't see it lasting because we have yet to beef up the power grid or do anything to make me think it will work as intended. Which is already behind and barely keeping up now. Also too much money in the oil to just go 50 to 70% EV. I've always said that the companies and investors just want to get EV sales to half of what gas sales are to get a profit. Only way to do that is force the EV on us and take away gas. Then bring back gas engines and increase the price. Too many jobs, and money lost not keep gas plus the crime rate gonna get outrageous at changing stations lol. But this is just car wise. SUV and trucks have to remain gas.. batteries can't pull loads.

the administration thinks planes can run on electricity.

Then why is California planning to ban ICE cars by 2035?

Get out of that state.

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[RJV15]

Get out of that state.

I wish. Maybe eventually!

 

[zee_g7]

i agree that the way forward requires a multi-faceted approach to the issue.

but to call tesla the most profitable in the world while they are actively stripping out features from cars to struggle to make half of what Ford made in 2022 is a foolish notion. But i will credit them as proofing the idea of EVs for the big players.

For better or worse, they have among the highest profit margins in the industry. Their recent price cuts took them down a bit, but still in top 5. This infographic is only for EVs, not all cars :-

Profit margins by companies. I wasn't able to find a list by brands: Top automakers by operating margin (companiesmarketcap.com)

 

[93-Oct Mayne]

This thread went to shit

 

[zee_g7]

This thread went to shit

I think we had a civil discussion. It did get political, but it was very mature and respectful.

 

[Stratman397]

And one more fallacy that people believe. EV's are cheaper to charge than fuel a gas vehicle.

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/08/s...n-filling-up-an-ice-car-per-100-miles-driven/

Particulates. The operation of electric vehicles results in brake dust, airborne road dust, and tire erosion, which contribute to particulate matter in the air. Particulate matter is dangerous for respiratory health.

there are all kinds of articles on these EV’ like these

https://sustainability-success.com/pros-and-cons-of-electric-cars-on-the-environment/

 

[BlackFerret69]

And then there's the issue of where does the electricity these EV's need come from?

Yep, the majority is stil hydrocarbons.

https://www.statista.com/statistics...ricity-net-generation-in-the-us-by-fuel-type/

Renewables are gaining, but the wind don't always blow, the water don't always flow, and the sun don't always shine.

 

[Stratman397]

I think we had a civil discussion. It did get political, but it was very mature and respectful.

The political part was the truth too.

 

[agreywolfe]

For better or worse, they have among the highest profit margins in the industry. Their recent price cuts took them down a bit, but still in top 5. This infographic is only for EVs, not all cars :-

Profit margins by companies. I wasn't able to find a list by brands: Top automakers by operating margin (companiesmarketcap.com)

thats very misleading because its EV only, Tesla only sells EVs so obviously they would be higher, a better mark would be Tesla earning 12.6BN in 2022 vs Ford earning 25BN and Toyota earning 53BN

 

[10basscat]

We as Americans are losing our freedoms every single day-the government is forcing things on us that we don’t want and wants to control every facet of our life. We must turn this country around now. This is the second revolution -wake up America. They represent us-not the other way around.

 

[Stratman397]

I wish. Maybe eventually!

Come to SC. You could sell your house there and buy one on the lake here and lots of jobs here

 

[agreywolfe]

And then there's the issue of where does the electricity these EV's need come from?

Yep, the majority is stil hydrocarbons.

https://www.statista.com/statistics...ricity-net-generation-in-the-us-by-fuel-type/

Renewables are gaining, but the wind don't always blow, the water don't always flow, and the sun don't always shine.

going by that same idea, Oil fields dont always fill, Natural gas dont always get recovered. theres a million ways we can make power, some are just more beneficial than others

 

[Stratman397]

We as Americans are losing our freedoms every single day-the government is forcing things on us that we don’t want and wants to control every facet of our life. We must turn this country around now. This is the second revolution -wake up America. They represent us-not the other way around.

whats really sad is a lot of these people just don’t see I nor do they care

 

[marcekb]

EVs typically charge at night when we have access capacity of energy. Even during the day, States and Provinces are increasing the capacity.

Consider that each EV charges to the electrical demand of an average US house running for 2-3 days (75-90 kWh per 250 miles [car] and 30 kWh per house/day). Double or triple that with a second or third car per house. And do that overnight. In locations that will need more infrastructure to provide that much power at one time during peak household usage as it is. There will be power outages and significantly increased cost of electricity (demand up and generation requirements higher). The grid can't produce enough now, and it isn't stable enough to run at that capacity full time.

The power outage argument is moot. Gas stations don't work without power either. We will have EVs that won't need charging during the day (except during road trips). As far as apartments are concerned, they'll add EV chargers or it'll be like Europe where street EV outlets are literally everywhere.

I'm not sure about this. There are already ways to provide emergency gas/diesel at larger levels when and where needed. And a small generator can operate a gas station, where such generator can't provide the level of juice needed for EVs (funny enough, since EVs are powered by fossil fueled electricity in many cases). Cars go further. They can carry spare fuel in an emergency. They won't be dead from lack of charging when the storm/emergency interrupts that process. And, if power goes out overnight, emergency workers won't be left trying to find a Mustang owner to get them to work.

 

[zee_g7]

thats very misleading because its EV only, Tesla only sells EVs so obviously they would be higher, a better mark would be Tesla earning 12.6BN in 2022 vs Ford earning 25BN and Toyota earning 53BN

I was talking about profit _margin_, not total profit.

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