You can thank Chevy for the next bump in horsepower on your future DH, Shelby, Boss Etc

[DeluxeStang]

Who can get a GTD not the average joe I'am a Ford guy but chevy treats their customers wright. As a chevy guy if you have a good relationship with your dealer head on down sign up for a ZR1 because they are not in anyway limited. My chances at a GTD is next to none, I have to kiss someone and get on a knee pad to someone at Ford to even have a chance at getting a GTD. I like chevys way of business better on their performance Halo vehicles, low prices, deliver more than your customer expects and availablility to all.

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[kagemusha2662]

Ah yes, a $200,000 plus supercar, truly a car of the people.

He meant it in a way where people can get it if there’s allocation, and you don’t have to include your social media presence when applying for one. Ford requiring that for the GTD is ridiculous.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Mustang does not compete with C8 corvette. I don't care if they get close in HP or whatever. Compete is beyond just times etc...it is also in an experience and the overall feel. The C8 is a Lamborghini/Ferrari competitor in spirit and experience. If you grew up with the countach all over the wall, I think you know what I mean...the unattainable made attainable. The mustang will never compete with that without being mid-engine, 2 seater with a similar profile. This is why Mustang needs to carry on as it is where it has success, and it is time for Ford to bring an attainable C8 competitor maybe wearing the Thunderbird or Pantera name. The GT is not attainable or even still in production. Maybe the ZR1 won't realistically be either but the C8 is and the Z06 is now too at a higher but still reasonable price point for what it competes against. A few years ago Ford renewed the T-bird name and were benchmarking a C8. I wish that had been a sign of them going all in. What there isn't a market for anymore is a two seater, lazy "cruiser" which is what the previous T-bird was so any clamoring over a mid-engine sports car is not what the T-bird is would be ridiculous. It could have a grand rebirth and compete against the Corvette like it was supposed to do in the first place.

I am trying to figure out why Ford is benchmarking not just one, but multiple c8s, a stingray and a zo6. It was actually so important for them to get a zo6 as soon as possible that they got a preproduction model from GM in a prototype trade.

This was around the time a Ford gt prototype was spied with a V8. Everyone assumed in was for the gt, but I theorized it could have been a mid-engine mule for something else. Ford did say there would be a new "addition to the stable" meaning a different body style than mach-e and s650 coming in 2025, and that it would be a great drivers car. So maybe there's something going on behind the scenes.

 

[DeluxeStang]

He meant it in a way where people can get it if there’s allocation, and you don’t have to include your social media presence when applying for one. Ford requiring that for the GTD is ridiculous.

It's just trading one barrier of entry for another man. An intense application process, and/or a very high price tag both achieve the same basic thing, limiting demand and availability. Even if the GTD was open to order for anymore, 99% of the people here couldn't afford it. The 1% who can are the ones who have an allocation anyways.

There's a good chance than zr1 and GTD production will both be pretty comparable, a few thousand units of each.

 

[MCS]

Strong disagree, ZR1 will be just as unobtainable.

You need to be calling nationwide and ready to wire 100K ADM deposit to secure one I bet.

Matter of fact… haven’t heard a peep about that today…100K ADM to get on the list may not even be enough.
People that OWN several dealerships may get a spot for 1.
Even with money people are delusional to think they’ll be able to own one.
Probably need social clout and apply like the GTD.

It’s 165K to 250K to buy a C7 ZR1 today that’s 5 years old.

I kind of agree with this statement here.

You are going to be competing against all the guys in the world who have the money to open doors

- The Shiek of Who-Gives-a-F-A-Stan will want one in every colour
- Bill Gates will drive to the local CVS to pick up his blue pills in a blue one
- Mark Zuckerburg will go get Chinese Food with his wife in one
- Prince So and So of Some Oil Rich Nation will also want a few for his harem
- Kim Jong Un will find a way to get his hands on one
- Putin will order two so he can send one to Kim Jong as a "Thanks for the hookers during my visit"

The reality of the situation is this car will be special. Truly. And because of that the 1% of the 1% are going to throw money at it like it was a Young Kate Beckinsale (from Underworld) dancing on Centre Stage at the Champaign Lounge.

 

[Classic Lover]

It's just trading one barrier of entry for another man. An intense application process, and/or a very high price tag both achieve the same basic thing, limiting demand and availability. Even if the GTD was open to order for anymore, 99% of the people here couldn't afford it. The 1% who can are the ones who have an allocation anyways.

There's a good chance than zr1 and GTD production will both be pretty comparable, a few thousand units of each.

No they’re not even remotely comparable. You can already find c8 z06s at msrp. Even with markups the zr1 will be much cheaper than the gtd. GM made 3,000 c7 zr1s and that was just one model year. 1,350 ford GTs were made from 2015-2022. The gtd starts at 325,000 with zero options. The zr1 will probably start under 175,000 plus gm said they will make as many as people order. The gtd will be a 400k+ dollar car with options. If the zr1 outperforms it ford should apologize.

 

[Adamrx11]

I saw the ZL1 on youtube last night, looks sick. Anyone know the price on the ZL1?

 

[MaddNomad]

Considering Dodge consistently made more HP than ford and ford never felt the need to respond, I doubt this will be any different. Ford seems content with what they have, although I’m sure the next gt500 will probably be close to 900 hp. The real embarrassment for ford would be if this new zr1 beats the GTD around the Nurburgring. Either way with the challenger and camaro gone nobody’s exactly pushing ford anymore, the corvette is in a completely different class especially now that it’s mid engine. If you want to see fighting in the hp and torque department go to the heavy duty truck world.

Well yeah, then again Dodge is a one trick pony. Even their GM said they didn’t want to compete directly with Mustang and Camaro because they were better at making all around performing cars. That’s per a conference call all the Dodge channels were posting a couple months ago.

 

[Classic Lover]

Well yeah, then again Dodge is a one trick pony. Even their GM said they didn’t want to compete directly with Mustang and Camaro because they were better at making all around performing cars. That’s per a conference call all the Dodge channels were posting a couple months ago.

He said if I remember correctly, that GM and Ford were both competing in the same area so he didn’t think it was smart for Dodge to try and compete in the pony car market because it was already full. He thought Dodge should continue making high hp street and strip muscle cars because nobody else was doing that, and that’s what dodge did well. Sadly the new owners aka stellantis has killed off V8s in general so that show is over. Your statement was technically correct but I think missed the spirit of Tim’s comments.

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

I am trying to figure out why Ford is benchmarking not just one, but multiple c8s, a stingray and a zo6. It was actually so important for them to get a zo6 as soon as possible that they got a preproduction model from GM in a prototype trade.

This was around the time a Ford gt prototype was spied with a V8. Everyone assumed in was for the gt, but I theorized it could have been a mid-engine mule for something else. Ford did say there would be a new "addition to the stable" meaning a different body style than mach-e and s650 coming in 2025, and that it would be a great drivers car. So maybe there's something going on behind the scenes.

They were at one point benchmarking a CT4 Blackwing as well. Can't imagine why they didn't go with the CT5 Blackwing instead (V8 midsize sedan/sportback, yes please!). But that aside, maybe that 2025 stablemate is a more affordable/entry level compact sporty car that's distinct enough outside and in to be different from the Mustang, yet still offers a driving experience that's comparable to it.

Or it could be a "true successor" to the GT90, a purely bonkers unobtainum hypercar, who knows?

 

[cosmo73]

Makes me wish I was rich. I would definitely have one in my garage.

That is a thoroughly mean looking beast of a car… with 1,000hp and a warranty!!

 

[Coosawjack]

AMAZING.......still FUGLY......but AMAZING!!

 

[CamustangSS650]

In 2021, the global classic car industry was valued at $31.1 billion, and is expected to reach $51.3 billion by 2028. The United States is the largest market, generating an estimated $15 billion in revenue in 2020, which is projected to increase to $19 billion by 2024

The new game is to tap into that 30 billion market. Not sell cars to peasants. 95% of that 30 billion is old cars that are stored in warehouses.
If they can trick those guys and convince them the "new corvette, GTD or whaterver" will appreciate over time, then they get a chunk of the cake.

Like I said before. There's a slice of exotic owners that might sell their not that collectible porsche -lambo - ferrari to dump all that money into the new corvette. It promises appreciaton and collectability but at an entry point of 300k , not +700k actual market...

 

[5.0ALM]

FYI...

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[9secondko]

Mustang does not compete with C8 corvette. I don't care if they get close in HP or whatever. Compete is beyond just times etc...it is also in an experience and the overall feel. The C8 is a Lamborghini/Ferrari competitor in spirit and experience. If you grew up with the countach all over the wall, I think you know what I mean...the unattainable made attainable. The mustang will never compete with that without being mid-engine, 2 seater with a similar profile. This is why Mustang needs to carry on as it is where it has success, and it is time for Ford to bring an attainable C8 competitor maybe wearing the Thunderbird or Pantera name. The GT is not attainable or even still in production. Maybe the ZR1 won't realistically be either but the C8 is and the Z06 is now too at a higher but still reasonable price point for what it competes against. A few years ago Ford renewed the T-bird name and were benchmarking a C8. I wish that had been a sign of them going all in. What there isn't a market for anymore is a two seater, lazy "cruiser" which is what the previous T-bird was so any clamoring over a mid-engine sports car is not what the T-bird is would be ridiculous. It could have a grand rebirth and compete against the Corvette like it was supposed to do in the first place.

no the Mustang doesn’t compete with the vette and never has. That’s a point I’ve made many times on this forum.

however, a 325+k “race car masquerading as a street car” with underpinnings custom built and tuned by multi magic to be the baddest thing around not named AMG One or GT2 RS most definitely IS competing with the corvette. It’s competing with the massively cheaper Z06, and the likely sub 200k ZR1.

competition is about winning. Talking about subjective points like “the experience” look and feel doesn’t belong in the conversation. What does belong is raw numbers. Power to weight. Cornering grip, gs, acceleration, top speed, lap times, braking numbers, etc.

The GTD is directly quoted to be purpose built to beat the Porsche gt3 rs. So it’s 100% a vette competitor as well.

let’s not kid ourselves.

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