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Will Dark Horse be an allocated package?

Mulletdaddee72

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I think one of the worst things Ford could do right now is make the Dark Horse an “allocated” package which as we all know means dealerships are only allowed so many and in turn will result in continued abuse of pricing with ridiculous markups. It really sucks seeing something so exciting becoming nothing more than a pipe dream because stealerships will almost certainly be trying to charge over $10k and more for these cars. Hopefully ford sees the light and let’s dealerships order as many Dark horses as they can sell. This would definitely make it easier for us enthusiast to enjoy their product.
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I believe its going to be like a PP2 package...I hope anyway.
 

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I believe its going to be like a PP2 package...I hope anyway.
Nope, the Dark House is supposed to be a model, not a package. Like the Bullitt and Mach 1. The will also be sub models like the “S” & “R”. No indication that it is going to be limited but that will not stop some dealers with playing with ADM‘s.
 

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Nope, the Dark House is supposed to be a model, not a package. Like the Bullitt and Mach 1. The will also be sub models like the “S” & “R”. No indication that it is going to be limited but that will not stop some dealers with playing with ADM‘s.


Bummer...although hopefully dealers like Chapman and others will offer deals. I just read the R and S are motorsport only...
 
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Bummer...although hopefully dealers like Chapman and others will offer deals. I just read the R and S are motorsport only...
I just wish the dealers dont treat the S650 like they did with the Bronco, have workers "purchase" the retail units and trade them in to have the status change to a used mustang, then jack the prices through the roof.

I was stationed with the Tropic Lightning, years back, and i dont miss East Range lol
 


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Every Ford vehicle of any kind requires an allocation to be built. Allocations are gifted based on previous sales. Dealers who have sold more vehicles previously are in-effect, closer to the front than others. However, this presents its own problems. Taking so many orders and then later supply chain issues can delay the receipt of customer vehicles; we witnessed this with some dealers and their Mustang orders.

Enclosed is a link explaining the process in detail:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1646540-how-does-a-dealer-allocation-work-when-ordering.html

I'm not implying the DH will be "limited" like the GT500, but dealers will have to have an allocation for a Mustang for the order to go through. There's no indication the DH will be anything other than like the EcoBoost, GT or Mach 1 ordering (i.e., normal).

Note: at the start of the order process, my dealer used the words "allocation" and "limited" to support an initial ADM. I used the information gleaned from these forums to show I knew better. With further negotiation, the ADM was eventually removed.

For the overwhelming majority of dealers, the allocation/order process is NOT an issue. At the extremes, those who order few Mustangs, or those who order a lot, it can be. Dealers who don't order many Mustangs may be waiting or even be unsure of how to navigate the allocation/order process correctly. Dealers who order a lot of Mustangs may have a huge backorder when/if supply issues arise.

In the Mustang 6G forums, there's an order thread for the Mach 1; this will highlight a lot of what we dealt with.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/2022-official-mach-1-order-tracking-thread.167381/

I have no insight to pricing. It's a safe bet the S650 will be higher than MY22 and '23. Ford has been increasing the pricing of some vehicles by thousands of dollars. ADMs? Mach 1 mark-ups in many areas of $5-10K are common; sometimes these can be negotiated down, sometimes not. But the economy will be different next year when order banks open; it's already cooling off in some sectors.

Price Protection? Yet another topic worth studying is Ford's Price Protection program. Ford had at least two price increases mid-stream in MY22, and one increase in transportation/devlivery, due to fuel prices. When discussing an order, confirm your dealer supports Price Protection. A handful of dealers do not.

In MY22, if you placed an order for a Mustang in your name and took receipt of the car in your name, Ford afforded you Price Protection. The buyer paid what was originally agreed to, that they signed for at the beginning. The dealer took the monies, and, still short, applied for an received the difference in pricing from Ford. Ford, because of material and/or labor costs, ate the difference.

Finally, when placing your order, at a minimum, sign and take receipt of something indicating the price of the vehicle. If you can lock everything in with a formal purchase agreement, so much the better.

The words "invoice" price will sometimes be used when placing an order. "We sell at invoice." Some dealers do. But if you placed an order for invoice, and the invoice price increase/moved against you mid-stream, you'll might be offered the car, at the increased invoice price. See 1% dealers above. for some members, the received "invoice" price was approaching or at what was MSRP price at the start of MY22. Some dealers selling at invoice honored the initial, original invoice price (Price Protection). A handful did not.

Sorry for the long post. Good news is, there's plenty of time to study the process and details before walking in.
 
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In Australia, Ford officially describe the Dark Horse as a "Special Edition" ..."with a "Limited Volume Run", and clearly NOT with the same Dealer Allocation and availability of the GT or EchoBoost. This may or may not be indicative of the scenario in the US -to coin a cliche', time will tell.
 

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I just wish the dealers dont treat the S650 like they did with the Bronco, have workers "purchase" the retail units and trade them in to have the status change to a used mustang, then jack the prices through the roof.

I was stationed with the Tropic Lightning, years back, and i dont miss East Range lol

Sorry didn't see this until now. East Range I didn't mind, but the Kahukus and the Big Island, well that's another story. We're you 11B? I was B Co 1/14th Infantry Golden Dragons.
 

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Multiple dealers that I contacted told me that there will be a premium. One was talking $15K.
 

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So my question with the Dark donkey. Will this be a limited car? I guess the Mach 1 technically is and we can certainly get them. Is that the same expectations with the donkey?
 

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So my question with the Dark donkey. Will this be a limited car? I guess the Mach 1 technically is and we can certainly get them. Is that the same expectations with the donkey?
It will be as limited as the Bullitt or the Mach 1... 'Limited until we decide not to built any other...'
 

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You know...the limited availability and allotments were never a problem for me...

The uptick on the finance rate, though? Yeah...not a fan...
 

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Not to be a rumor spreader, or the bearer of bad news, but the GM at a dealership in TN last weekend told me they heard dark horse would get similar allocations to the Raptor R.

Y'all can curse me later if that turns out to be false. Like everything else here, take with a grain of salt.
 

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Not to be a rumor spreader, or the bearer of bad news, but the GM at a dealership in TN last weekend told me they heard dark horse would get similar allocations to the Raptor R.

Y'all can curse me later if that turns out to be false. Like everything else here, take with a grain of salt.
And who did the GM hear it from? The tooth fairy? :crackup: :cwl:
 

 
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