• Welcome to Mustang7G!

    If you're joining us from Mustang6G, then you may already have an account here!

    As long as you were registered on Mustang6G as of March 10, 2021 or earlier, then you can simply login here with the same username and password!

Rumor [Autocar]: 2023 Mustang will be AWD Hybrid V8 (in Europe Only)

TTown

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 7, 2017
Threads
8
Messages
336
Reaction score
86
Location
Tulsa, OK
Vehicle(s)
24 Camaro ZL1 (prev. 2019 Mustang GT; 2025?)
The purists should fret not; it sounds like it'll still have a V8 that ticks with piston slap.
Sponsored

 

Hack

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 26, 2014
Threads
13
Messages
9,052
Reaction score
374
Location
Minneapolis
Vehicle(s)
Mustang, Camaro

Vlad Soare

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 21, 2020
Threads
0
Messages
851
Reaction score
33
Location
Bucharest, Romania
Vehicle(s)
2020 Mustang GT
I wonder how much the hybrid doohickey will add to the cost. The current GT is very expensive as it is. It's close to fifty thousand euros around here, which is Jaguar teritory already.
 
OP
OP
Twin Turbo

Twin Turbo

Super Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Aug 2, 2012
Threads
227
Messages
8,701
Reaction score
2,957
Location
England
Vehicle(s)
Mustang '05 GT
I wonder how much the hybrid doohickey will add to the cost. The current GT is very expensive as it is. It's close to fifty thousand euros around here, which is Jaguar teritory already.
A Jaguar F-Type with a 2.0 litre turbo 4-cylinder, maybe. The new F-Type V8 is more like 75k. Now, I'll admit, the new F-Type is more gorgeous than ever, but it deserves more engine than a 2 litre 4-pot.
 

Vlad Soare

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 21, 2020
Threads
0
Messages
851
Reaction score
33
Location
Bucharest, Romania
Vehicle(s)
2020 Mustang GT
I've been given a quotation of a little over fifty thousand euros for an XF with a 3.0 liter V6 petrol engine and RWD, which is certainly no slouch. Admittedly, that won't keep up with a Mustang in a drag race, but on the other hand in Europe we don't care about drag races as much as we care about comfort, refinement and build quality.
Competing with Mondeos and Astras is one thing. Taking on the big boys is another.
We'll see...
 


marks

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 26, 2014
Threads
0
Messages
698
Reaction score
1
Location
Essex
Vehicle(s)
2017 Mustang GT Race Red Manual
For ÂŁ54k (circa 62k euros) I can only get an F type with a 4 cylinder 2 litre engine with only the option being a silly flappy paddle thing. To get anything decent with the F Type you need to be spending ÂŁ20k more and for that you'd be mad not to get a Porsche Cayman GTS, or similar. Different in US where have much more options.
The XF is a boring saloon and not in the same category as the Mustang.
 

Mazman

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 15, 2017
Threads
5
Messages
1,091
Reaction score
372
Location
Sweden
Website
youtube.com
Vehicle(s)
Mazda MX5 ND2 30th anniversary
if there will be a price increase the question is how much.
Considering that the tax on owning the car will potentially be lower(due to the hybrid drivetrain) it might be cheaper in the long run.
 

Vlad Soare

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 21, 2020
Threads
0
Messages
851
Reaction score
33
Location
Bucharest, Romania
Vehicle(s)
2020 Mustang GT
The XF is a boring saloon and not in the same category as the Mustang.
It may be a saloon, but there's nothing boring about it, especially when it has the right engine.
Besides, let's not forget the second-hand market. That kind of money will get you a superb low-mileage BMW M4 in perfect condition, to name just one option.
I am willing to buy a GT at its current price, but had it been just ten grand more expensive I would have passed.
 

marks

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 26, 2014
Threads
0
Messages
698
Reaction score
1
Location
Essex
Vehicle(s)
2017 Mustang GT Race Red Manual
You could put a 6.5 litre V12 in the XF (or most other saloons) and you would still not get the same buzz/enjoyment as you get from a Mustang. Yes, the second hand market is a different game.
The Mustang has and will always be an affordable car, I'm sure Ford will do their research and ensure any future car is at the right price point. Of course there are some things Ford can't control such as tariffs etc and we'll have to see how they play out.
 

Vlad Soare

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 21, 2020
Threads
0
Messages
851
Reaction score
33
Location
Bucharest, Romania
Vehicle(s)
2020 Mustang GT
You could put a 6.5 litre V12 in the XF (or most other saloons) and you would still not get the same buzz/enjoyment as you get from a Mustang.
Indeed, you would not. But the buzz you get from a Mustang is just one of many kinds. A special car can offer you buzz and enjoyment in many ways, none of which is inherently better than the others. For instance, speaking of powerful saloons, there's certainly a lot of enjoyment in fooling the other motorists into underestimating you and into thinking "oh, that's just a boring saloon, I'll have him for breakfast", then imagining their sheer astonishment when, two seconds later, they can't even see which way you went. My old Scorpio was a dull saloon, but boy was it so much fun leaving boy racers with hot hatches in the dust...
There's also one other kind of enjoyment, which comes from good engineering and craftmanship and build quality. It's nice when things just work. It's nice and enjoyable to own a car whose body panels align perfectly, a car which you can wash, or drive in heavy rain, without fear of water leaks, a car which leaves the factory with enough oil in the gearbox and in which the plastics don't rattle when you drive over a bump.

On this forum we're a bunch of Mustang enthusiasts, who appreciate the kind of buzz offered by a growly RWD coupé or convertible. So we're extremely prone to think of everything non-mustangy as 'boring'. But the truth is, in Europe we're just a tiny minority, and what's boring to us is practical and rational (and even enjoyable at that) to the vast majority of Europeans.

The Mustang has and will always be an affordable car, I'm sure Ford will do their research and ensure any future car is at the right price point. Of course there are some things Ford can't control such as tariffs etc and we'll have to see how they play out.
It was. It's not anymore. Now it's an expensive car. And not only is it expensive, but it even lacks creature comforts that much cheaper European Fords (and not just Fords, for that matter) have had for years. It's more than fourty thousand euros for just a V8 engine and a beautiful body. Add navigation and adaptive suspension and you get to fifty thousand in no time. That's properly expensive.
Is it worth it? Maybe. I used to think it was - after all, I did order one. Now I'm not so sure anymore, but that's a different story. Anyway, regardless of how I feel about it, I'm not sure many Europeans find it worthwhile now (how many GTs do we actually see around us?), let alone if it were even more expensive.

But who knows, I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. We'll see...
 
Last edited:

marks

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 26, 2014
Threads
0
Messages
698
Reaction score
1
Location
Essex
Vehicle(s)
2017 Mustang GT Race Red Manual
On this forum we're a bunch of Mustang enthusiasts, who appreciate the kind of buzz offered by a growly RWD coupé or convertible. So we're extremely prone to think of everything non-mustangy as 'boring'. But the truth is, in Europe we're just a tiny minority, and what's boring to us is practical and rational (and even enjoyable at that) to the vast majority of Europeans.
Ill agree with that. I do often wonder how people can get enjoyment from a ÂŁ50k boring grey Eurobox, especially ones with a diesel. Yes it may be fast but how often can you show this? Hardly ever, plus they generally sound ridiculous with popping exhausts. Although I can see why you would get one for practical reasons but I don't see why it would need to be fast. The Mustang is my weekend car, I have a boring Korean SUV for our daily!
 

DrGrabster

UK Member
Joined
Oct 11, 2016
Threads
4
Messages
1,193
Reaction score
10
Location
Morecambe Bay, UK and Peel, Isle of Man
Vehicle(s)
Mercedes E63 Estate. 5.5L biturbo V8 rwd
I tried to justify my 2018 GT, talking about the excitement and fun filled nature of the car. But I never really warmed to it. It did nothing really well and when it was bad it was awful. I was happy when it went and wouldn't have another.
 

marks

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 26, 2014
Threads
0
Messages
698
Reaction score
1
Location
Essex
Vehicle(s)
2017 Mustang GT Race Red Manual
The Mustang only suits non boring people, you'd be happier in a diesel saloon. That's the great thing about the Mustang, it doesn't suit everybody.
 

spectremotorsports

Consultant
Joined
Mar 26, 2014
Threads
1
Messages
424
Reaction score
164
Location
Scottsdale, AZ
Vehicle(s)
"Emma" 17 GT/PP Grabber Blue/Black roof
I tried to justify my 2018 GT, talking about the excitement and fun filled nature of the car. But I never really warmed to it. It did nothing really well and when it was bad it was awful. I was happy when it went and wouldn't have another.
Why even post here then? This is a bit like having a terrible experience at a restaurant and then hanging about in the parking lot to tell people you didn't enjoy it....
 

Vlad Soare

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 21, 2020
Threads
0
Messages
851
Reaction score
33
Location
Bucharest, Romania
Vehicle(s)
2020 Mustang GT
Whenever I read about the Mustang's problems I think of Jeremy Clarkson. He often says that to him interesting cars are like interesting people, i.e. flawed in one way or another. That's why he loves Alfas or Lamborghinis, or why he finds an excitable dog that makes a mess of the house and requires lots of attention more rewarding than a feed-and-forget cat.
One episode of Top Gear featured an Italian guy who had built a custom car based on an old Alfa. When Clarkson asked him what some of the buttons on the dash did, he replied: "oh, nothing, those don't work. This is an Alfa. If everything worked it would be an Audi".
So I fully understand the idea of loving a special car for what makes it special, and ignoring its faults like we forgive our loved ones for their faults, or sometimes even love them more because of them.
I do get the idea. And I use it to console myself every time I stumble upon a thread discussing yet another basic flaw of the Mustang.
On the other hand, there's only so much one can forgive even a loved one. No matter how special a car may be, there comes a time when you've had enough, when it has one flaw too many and you can't stand it anymore.
Sponsored

 
 




Top