Let’s talk about Evs

[Zig]

Well….

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[LETHAL]

Gov't needs to give it up.

 

[Ryunker]

Well….

Let's not

 

[Dena]

EVs have existed for a century and a quarter. As always the problem is the batteries. The problem the batteries have is because they involved a chemical reaction, they are limited by the amount of active material in the battery. It will take a whole new approach to batteries for them to become practical but for now they remain a limited range device.
Top that off with your EV is a coal or natural gas powered device so it has no environmental impact and maybe with losses, it might be less efficient that IC engines. The political environment suggest it will be a long time if ever before we get more nuclear plants and as most cars charge over night, solar recharging is out of the question.
If you have the money and want a play thing, enjoy. Otherwise, it might be best to consider something a little more practical.
There, I said what we all think.

 

[agreywolfe]

lets just agree that people can drive whatever the fuck they want.

 

[REV745DH24]

Environmental impacts? Chinese took away our abilities to make batteries aka lessens the pollution it causes in America. Biden gave them the authority to the Chinese cuz they make extra money to build them and secretly slave workers build and suffer the pollution themselves! Chinese do have slave laborers! But at the offset is why can’t we do it knowing that WEF is bullshitting about Climate Change issue! Sarcastic! Washington state has banned lawnmower, mini motor trimmers and even chainsaws! How ridiculous will they cut the grass and trim the trees for the look of neatness for their homes? EV maybe good for some but what do they do with bad batteries? Recycle them and that hasn’t been heard about? There are many negatives toward EV but hopefully there will be better resolutions better technologies than batteries in the future! Too much stuff to talk about in this case!

 

[Dragster]

I'm sure we all know how this thread is going to go...

With that being said, I think the worst thing that happened to EVs was the fact that they became political. It means you can no longer have a reasonable discussion about them because it always devolves into each side's talking points: "we're going to save the Earth from climate change," and "they're worse for the environment than gas cars!" Naturally, the truth is somewhere in the middle, but all nuance has long since left political discussions in this country.

With that being said, I think they're a great option for multicar families--unless we're talking about trucks being used for towing or hauling. For someone that drives to the office and back, to the store at night, or out on the town on the weekend, they're great transportation that is going to save them a ton of money on gas. Sure, the upfront cost can be higher, but not always. A Tesla Model 3 starts at $28,490 with tax credits, and there are very few options on Teslas. For comparison, the average new car price in the US this year was $48,247. They certainly aren't out of reach for many families. Tesla has a great--and reliable--charging network, so they COULD be used on a road trip, but for multicar families, I would imagine most would want to take the ICE car for the ease of filling up.

From an enthusiast standpoint, I think they have great potential. For anyone that's never driven one, schedule a test drive at a Tesla dealer and try one. You can sign up online, show up and drive it, and then be on your way. The Tesla shopping and buying experience is fantastic! The instant torque and power of EVs is great, and the fact that all of the weight is down low gives them a low center of gravity. Sure, they're heavy, but let's be real--an S650 is nearly a 4,000 lb car! The Model S Plaid is only 300 lbs heavier than a Challenger Hellcat. I've driven a Model S Plaid on multiple occasions, and it's a genuinely impressive car! The fact that you can get a 9 second car from the factory--that is a solid 9 second car ON THE STREET and not just at the strip--for $90,000 is insane! Sure, it's heavy and the brakes need an upgrade, but it's not a sports car; it is basically and EV muscle car--a 5 seat sedan that is quick as hell in a straight line. Don't let anyone fool you--you don't need to do any battery prep or anything. Just mash the pedal from a stop, and you've got a 9 second car on the street (even with passengers) as verified by my friend's Dragy. Much like an ICE car, you can do this multiple times; my friend and I have never seen any warnings or issues on his car after multiple launches.

The Plaid now has an optional track pack that includes 6-piston front and 4-piston rear carbon ceramic brakes and 20x10 and 20x11 wheels and tires, along with software updates for the suspension. I have no doubt that some manufacturer is going to make an EV sports car that is going to be highly capable AND fun to drive! Like many others, the biggest issue I have with EVs from an enthusiast standpoint is the lack of sound, and there's really no good answer for that. Fake noise is lame. Will we miss shifting? Probably, but in a car as fast as the Plaid, you really don't have a whole lot of time to think about it. With that said, I think everyone should try an EV before judging. I did, and it genuinely changed my perception. Will I buy one? Not now because I have no need for one as I have two weekend ICE cars--but I would love to get a Model X Plaid to replace my wife's Odyssey!

 

[Q6543]

The companies (big 3) have fully invested into EVs being the future of personal transportation.

They have higher profit margins, need less employees to build and less issues with recalls.
The decision has been made, 10s of billions of dollars are already invested.

Now people can get the carrot (govt subsidies) to increase adoption rates, or the stick (increased cost of driving gas/ICE).

This was a factor in ordering my 2024 GT.
Once i watched EVs break all the pikes peak records I got onboard.

I’m also looking forward to small industry retrofitting EVs into classics, foxbodys etc.

Very exciting future that will lead to autonomous networked vehicles. It will increase efficiency and decrease human error.

Cars should operate as a linked hive mind, people want to stare at their phones all day while driving, so we must the them out of control of the steering wheel.
Gen z and gen A don’t even want to drive a car period.

 

[Dena]

Very exciting future that will lead to autonomous networked vehicles. It will increase efficiency and decrease human error.

Cars should operate as a linked hive mind, people want to stare at their phones all day while driving, so we must the them out of control of the steering wheel.
Gen z and gen A don’t even want to drive a car period.

When I first started driving it was work. No power steering or brakes, 100 horse power with a three speed manual that wasn't easy to shift and steering that went in the right direction most of the time. Somewhere along the line all that went into the past and cars have become fun to drive. The car becomes a part of you and it responds to your every thought. I feel sorry for those who won't take the the time to become accusations to a car so they can feel the same joy.
I have had two roommates. The first always gave me the keys after the first drink and the current one can't yet navigate phoenix and sometimes falls asleep behind the wheel. I gladly accept the keys even if it's not the car I truly enjoy driving.
Sadly self driving vehicles could prevent millions from discovering the joy of controlling a vehicle because they would rather not take the time to do so.

 

[Zig]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a46149803/what-does-electric-horsepower-cost/

 

[steveo1960]

I drove a friend's 2023 Tesla S plaid and the car is wicked fast. Dangerous fast in fact. Especially with me behind the wheel The problem for me is it's not all about 0-60 times which for this car is in the 2 sec range. My biggest complaint is the car has no soul. It's dead silent inside where you can clearly hear your breath. The regen braking is just strange although I suspect I would get used to it over time. When I got back in my 03 GT vert to head home, all I could think of was wow, this is what driving is supposed to be like. If I want to sit back and relax I'll hire an Uber. And of course like others have said, when you look at total cost and impact to the environment the EV is not doing much other than putting the USA at the mercy of other countries. Where I live, the Ford lots are chock full of unsold Mustang E cars. The only EV cars I see on the road are Tesla's and Rivian models.. I suspect the buying public has grown tired of the honeymoon phase and are going back to ICE cars. I hope that's true.

 

[CarGuyBill]

I have a Mach E GT Performance Edition and a Dark Horse and the Dark Horse is hands down the winner. I purchased the Mach E to experience it and it is an extremally nice car but I would not buy anther EV again in less that was the only option in years to come.

 

[Dena]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a46149803/what-does-electric-horsepower-cost/

The article has a mistake in it. Horse power is generated by current times the number of windings in the motor. Half the current and double the voltage, you need twice the windings in the motor. Higher voltage might result in less loss and there are other advantages but wattage(horse power)=volts*amps. It has been that way from the first electric motor. Permanent magnets eliminate the need to use power to generate one of the two magnetic fields but that isn't new. Long before the great permeant magnets of today, we could still get between 80 and 90 precent efficiency out of a motor.

 

[Dragster]

I drove a friend's 2023 Tesla S plaid and the car is wicked fast. Dangerous fast in fact. Especially with me behind the wheel The problem for me is it's not all about 0-60 times which for this car is in the 2 sec range. My biggest complaint is the car has no soul. It's dead silent inside where you can clearly hear your breath. The regen braking is just strange although I suspect I would get used to it over time. When I got back in my 03 GT vert to head home, all I could think of was wow, this is what driving is supposed to be like. If I want to sit back and relax I'll hire an Uber. And of course like others have said, when you look at total cost and impact to the environment the EV is not doing much other than putting the USA at the mercy of other countries. Where I live, the Ford lots are chock full of unsold Mustang E cars. The only EV cars I see on the road are Tesla's and Rivian models.. I suspect the buying public has grown tired of the honeymoon phase and are going back to ICE cars. I hope that's true.

You can adjust the amount of regen braking for the Model S in the menu.

The only electric cars that seem to sell around me are Teslas as well. I see the occasional Rivian, Taycan, or Mach E, but that's about it. Tesla does have a huge advantage when it comes to their supercharger network, and their prices are really compelling when compared to other electric cars. The dealership experience is also light years beyond most of the "regular" car manufacturers. After test driving a Model S, my buddy ordered a Plaid from his phone, was assigned a VIN a few days later, and then had his car just a couple weeks later. He scheduled a delivery time, walked in and signed three papers, and was out the door. It's so much better than the current model, it isn't even funny.

Once you drive a Plaid, the idea of what a fast car is changes somewhat. Everything else feels slow in comparison. But ICE cars give you things that EVs can't, like the sound or the ability to shift. I think having a Plaid as a daily driver and then a weekend car with a manual trans and a great sounding engine would be a great pair for an enthusiast! At the end of the day, different cars will fulfill different needs for people, and that's okay.

 

[roket]

im guessing its not gonna be long until

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