Is it me or is this car tail happy when making fast turns

[COBill]

About the only car you can pull that in is gonna be awd.

I got to test drive a V10 Audi R8 once that was on a factory tour, so it wasn't a dealership car.

The salesman who came with me told me to punch it on an on ramp and I got to hear the really cool sound of all four wheels breaking traction and squealing in a straight line.

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[bountifulgoose]

Countersteering is the way to control oversteer. It's what's taught in advanced driver training and, it's what I've done since I first got cars going sideways in the 60's. It works.
I'd agree braking is not what you do, nor is accelerating.
What do you suggest for oversteer corection?

Sounds about right, ive found through experimenting and learning with my DH the last year when the rear gets a lil loose ( you can feel it before it turns into a full blown curb missile) when it wants to oversteer i countersteer just a bit, it doesnt take much, I also back off the throttle a touch, not completely. When it wants to understeer i counter steer a bit and give it a bit more throttle and it straitens it out.

I got to test drive a V10 Audi R8 once that was on a factory tour, so it wasn't a dealership car.

The salesman who came with me told me to punch it on an on ramp and I got to hear the really cool sound of all four wheels breaking traction and squealing in a straight line.

Lmfao well damn i guess anythings is possible.

 

[glenng6]

Is it me or will the back of the car try to come around when you take a turn under throttle?

One time I punched it taking a left turn, more of a sweeping left turn from a stop and the tires lit up and not in a gentle way

The second time I was making a U turn, ok my bad too much throttle as I came out of it but they spun and again, not in a gentle way and no traction control intervention

This morning, the roads might have had a little water on them, not much as it was a busy intersection but I was in a hurry and hooked a right turn at 40 ish from the right lane, into the left lane of the other road and about half way thru the turn and I'll admit I was in a hurry, I could feel the back end sliding so I let off on it before it could get tail happy or try to come around.

It is not cold tires as t was 70 degrees plus each time

Or maybe it is just like every other mustang I have ever driven , tail happy

I have noticed a number of times when I take out my Stang for a constitutional, on twisty roads, that the rear can feel light. I have had to make adjustments more times than I like. Although, I never feel the rear is losing traction, I just can't seem to feel it. I had an incident when making a right turn and I got on it, at an intersection, and the rear came loose. The traction control took over and straightened my ass out abruptly! I didn't think my acceleration was excessive but it let loose. I have a feeling there was probably sand involved. Whenever I have that feeling I just bleed off some power and all’s good! Glenn

 

[Dark Sprite]

I Drive trucks for 30 yrs. Grew up on Atvs , dirt bikes , Sleds, Motorcycles, you name it. Kicking them sideways every turn , everywhere. So I understand physics offroad very well.


I did a burn out in my dad's driveway , and I am completely novice to sport cars. So I am just getting the feel of pavement and way more weight.
When I did the Mustang seemed to stay powered well after I let off. It got me a little bit more sideways than I wanted , and humbled me quickly. I immediately thought to myself this car didn't listen to my lifting when I asked it to. I am aware there is more drivetrain spinning , and its not going to be like a dirt bike. I was just thrown off by the big delay more than expected.

I appreciate your comment, as I was worried it was all me and maybe I shouldn't #uck around. I think I just need a bigger area to figure it out

I noticed this as well, after giving the accelerator a hard push then lifting off,the throttle response seems slow to come off. Maybe a factor of driving an NA V8 that I just need to get used to but was odd feeling the car keep putting the power in after I’d let off the accelerator.

 

[Neggytive]

Do you have TC/Advancetrac off, or are driving in sport mode?

Sport mode has reduced intervention for how much it will let you slide the back end around.

In normal or wet/slippery mode, it is much more restrained and the car will intervene early if you're getting it sideways / spinning the tires.

Finally, does your car have the limited slip differential? If not I 100% bet it would be a one wheel tire fire.

car has 5400 miles on it so the Conti's should be good

Nope, in normal mode

GT 401A I sure hope it has LSD/Posi

My Vette would only do this with the traction control off and hammering it, Porsche never did it, neither Alfa does it but comparing antique Alfa's to a Mustang is not a fair comparison, but both of my Alfa's have been track raced without any issue.

The Vette's traction control would actually cut the throttle if it got sideways under heavy throttle

Normally I drive very conservatively, I'm old and already did the speed thing in cars and on bikes.

I was just surprised with all the electronics in the car that it did not self moderate to some extent especially in "normal " mode

The Mustang has never been a car known for traction on anything but dry pavement, and that is based on my observations having driven them for over 50 years.

 

[smurfslayer]

The Mustang's traction control will cut throttle if you get sideways. In sport mode, you'll get a little more slide before the fun gets stopped. Even in very cold temps, the S650 is a very communicative chassis and suspension. I can tell when the Torsen is fighting to get traction, when the pavement is too smooth to grab, and so on.

The street is not the track.... Unless you're road racing in Ireland and some of the UK. You could hit oil, anti-freeze, dropped cargo, chemical spill residue or the pavement may just be rubbish.

If you go to track attack, it's likely to rain and you'll see just how good the Mustang can handle wet weather with decent tires - they run the Michelin PS4S.
But again, that's a track and not the street.

 

[Ken H.]

Idk. I drove the DH at the Ford Performance School as hard as I could. Full throttle. Full breaking. No holding back. Back end seemed fine to me. Never broke loose. Lots of turns. No slides.
I’m heading back in April for 2 day course & 1 day advanced course. I’ll see how it does then.

 

[LouG]

I have noticed a number of times when I take out my Stang for a constitutional, on twisty roads, that the rear can feel light.

That's the bit I like, that's rotation/yaw. A feel that the rear is close to sliding but not quite. And then, unwinding lock as you power on for the exit.
Bliss!
God bless RWD

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Is it me or will the back of the car try to come around when you take a turn under throttle?

One time I punched it taking a left turn, more of a sweeping left turn from a stop and the tires lit up and not in a gentle way

The second time I was making a U turn, ok my bad too much throttle as I came out of it but they spun and again, not in a gentle way and no traction control intervention

This morning, the roads might have had a little water on them, not much as it was a busy intersection but I was in a hurry and hooked a right turn at 40 ish from the right lane, into the left lane of the other road and about half way thru the turn and I'll admit I was in a hurry, I could feel the back end sliding so I let off on it before it could get tail happy or try to come around.

It is not cold tires as t was 70 degrees plus each time

Or maybe it is just like every other mustang I have ever driven , tail happy

Track Mode will give you more control over the throttle when in a turn. Try it out.

Lots of folks above are recommending Sport Mode, but this is the worst mode to use for part thottle control in a turn.

The difference has to do with the percentage throttle opened v. the percentage of gas pedal depressed. In the part throttle area, Sport opens the throttle much more, and Track opens the throttle much less. This means you can move the throttle down or up and more finely move the throttle body toward open or closed when in Track Mode. Switching to Sport Mode moves the throttle open more quickly, which makes your throttle more difficult to adjust with your foot while in a turn.

Both modes open the throttle 100% when you mash the pedal to the floor, but the difference at part throttle is amazing when you are near the limits of your tires' grip in a turn.

I am convinced Sport Mode has no useful application beyond marketing, as the wider open throttle when barely depressing the gas pedal convinces buyers that this is one very powerful car. I am barely touching the gas pedal!

That is not what you want when driving on the edge in a turn and is a recipe to be added to a Youtube video about Mustangs.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Sounds about right, ive found through experimenting and learning with my DH the last year when the rear gets a lil loose ( you can feel it before it turns into a full blown curb missile) when it wants to oversteer i countersteer just a bit, it doesnt take much, I also back off the throttle a touch, not completely.

You'll find that adjustment with your right foot much easier in Track Mode than in the other modes.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Somebody posted a chart with the throttle input and result (throttle opening) in the various modes here on the web site.

I'll see if I can find it.

When you look at the chart, it is easy to see why track mode allows you to use the gas pedal to control the rear end much easier than Sport Mode.

You can experiment and try it for yourself, though, if you can find a spot to take a turn at the limit and apply throttle until the rear begins to move and lightly back off the throttle just enough to keep pushing through the turn. Do it in Sport Mode and Track Mode. You'll find Sport Mode often means removing your foot all the way whereas Track Mode allows you to make a small adjustment and keep the engine pushing through the turn until it is time to go full throttle again.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

@ZXMustang posted it.

"I suppose I can add some actual facts here. The "track mode" pedal is far from linear. The only pedal demand pedal mode that's truly linear is the normal driving mode pedal. The rest are weighted differently and very non-linear. Top left is "normal", top right is "sport/track" but only track for base cars with no actual track mode. Bottom left is mud mode which is real track mode on the mustangs and bottom right is sand mode which is drag mode on the mustangs. This is from the 24 Mustang GT tunefile I have in HP Tuners."​

Source, post # 14:
https://www.mustang7g.com/forums/threads/biggest-frustration…-track-mode.167977/

 

[Junkyard Dog]

So if you compare the throttle at, say, 40% throttle, the Track Mode is opening the throttle maybe 25%, while Sport Mode is whacking that bad boy open to 50%

It does not take a lot of imagination to figure out which one gives you more control. In Track Mode you have to push that throttle down to about 70% before you get the throttle more than halfway open and across the 60% line. In Sport Mode you whack that throttle up over the 60% line at less than half throttle application with your right foot. This means Sport Mode makes it more difficult to make small adjustments. Track Mode makes it easier.

Plus the transmission does exactly what you want it to do in Track Mode. Not so much in Sport Mode.

But see the caveat in the quote from ZXMustang that base models do not even have a Track Mode. It is just Sport Mode. <--- That sucks.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

I don't think that's it... Sport/track the same? mud and sand mode?

You do not think what is it?

Sport and Track are the same in base models. Not in my Dark Horse, I mean, not even close. It is easy to tell the difference in the throttle mapping just by driving in each mode, switching from one to the other.

This is a downloaded file from a 2024 GT.

Mud and sand . . . sounds like something off a truck or 4WD . . . . maybe he confused slippery mode?

 

[Sofa King]

Sport and track don't seem the same to me... after reading the description, it makes a little more sense (mud and sand), but track and sport seem very different to me.

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