Ford reveals details about a 30k EV truck

[POHLHAMMER]

Interesting discussion about charge times. This is what the google machine says about charging times below. I would guess 90% of the time people are limited to level 2 charging. What do you think ?

This is for the Mustang , but I assume the tech in this truck would be similar.

I LOVE electric RC airplanes over nitro. I do not love the idea of an electric truck to use for work.

FROM GOOGLE

A Mustang Mach-E can add roughly 6 to 7 miles of range per minute when using a DC fast charger. Specifically, a 150 kW+ DC fast charger can add about 60 miles of range in about 10 minutes. When using a Level 2 charger, the Mach-E can add around 20-30 miles of range per hour.

Here's a breakdown of charging times:

• DC Fast Charging (Level 3): Can add 60 miles of range in about 10 minutes or charge from 10% to 80% in approximately 45 minutes, according to Ford.
  
  
• Level 2 Charging: Adds about 20-30 miles of range per hour.
  
  
• Level 1 Charging: Adds about 3 miles of range per hour, according to Ford.

DC Fast Charging, also known as Level 3 charging, is the fastest method for charging electric vehicles, using direct current (DC) to replenish a vehicle's battery. These chargers typically provide a range of 150-400 miles of driving per hour of charging, with a full charge taking anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes, depending on the vehicle and charger.

Here's a more detailed look:
Speed and Efficiency:

• Faster than Level 2:
  Level 3 charging is significantly faster than Level 2 charging, which uses alternating current (AC).
  
  
• High Power Output:
  Level 3 chargers deliver high-voltage DC power directly to the vehicle's battery, enabling rapid charging.
  
  
• Time Savings:
  This speed makes DC fast charging ideal for situations where drivers need to quickly add range to their vehicles, such as during road trips.
  

How it Works:

• Direct Current:
  Unlike Level 1 and Level 2 charging, which use alternating current (AC), DC fast chargers convert AC power from the grid to DC power before delivering it to the vehicle.
  
  
• High Voltage and Current:
  DC fast chargers operate at higher voltages and currents compared to other charging levels, enabling faster charging times.
  
  
• Specific Charging Protocols:
  DC fast charging uses specific protocols like CCS (Combined Charging System) and CHAdeMO to communicate with and control the charging process.
  

Common Applications:

• Public Charging Stations:
  DC fast chargers are commonly found at public charging stations along highways and in urban areas, offering convenient charging for EV drivers.
• Fleet Charging:
  Businesses with electric vehicle fleets can utilize DC fast charging to quickly recharge their vehicles, minimizing downtime.
• Specific Use Cases:
  DC fast charging is also beneficial for situations like charging at shopping malls or coffee shops, where drivers may want a quick charge while they shop or grab a coffee.
  

Considerations:

• Cost:
  DC fast chargers are generally more expensive to install and operate than Level 2 chargers.
  
  
• Location:
  Due to their higher power requirements, DC fast chargers often require more robust electrical infrastructure and are typically found in commercial locations.
  
  
• Vehicle Compatibility:
  Not all electric vehicles are compatible with all DC fast charging standards, so it's important to check compatibility before using a specific charger.

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[LouG]

Super unleaded is 1.75 euros per liter today in Bavaria.
https://www.fuelflash.eu/en/bavaria-petrol-münchen-germany-zehentbauernstraße-82/

Not many of us would be driving a Coyote engine at that price.

1.75 euros is $2.05

A gallon is 3.78541 liters. 3.78541 x $2.05 = $7.76 per gallon, or $124.16 per full tank of gas

You would seriously consider an electric vehicle or little economy car, too, if that were your cost of fuel.

$NZ3 ($US1.77) per litre for 98 here at the moment and has been up to $3.35, 95 is around $2.60.
And, I drive a Coyote V8, because I want to.
Currently we're running bout 40/60 usage between that and my wife's fuel miser. But only because it's winter and I'm not keen on washing 2 cars every week.
I still don't want an EV.

 

[LouG]

A good example is the UK. Power prices have risen a lot. Public charging has gone through the roof for fast charge, to the point it is more expensive than diesel to "fill".
So, surprise, surprise, EV sales have tanked, diesel sales are growing.

Our power prices have also risen by around 60%, add the cost of a home charger, and your savings have gone.

And, maintenance on EV's. There is this low maintenance thing volt fans always bring up.
EV's are cars, cars require maintenance. You may not do oil changes, but you still have coolant, you still have mechanical gear sets, electric motors may not wear as fast but they do wear.
Not to mention Tesla rear motor coolant seal failures. I was really surprised that the service cost on a Cupra Born EV was the same as my petrol Cupra Ateca
EV's eat tyres too.
Lastly, try to insure one.

 

[MAT1955]

@AZ_Ryan ..... you say - "I love how the people that don't believe in climate change or environmental protections are suddenly worried about the environment in China when the subject of EVs comes up." ..... I'm not worried about the destruction of China's environment as they are doing that to themselves. I do think it's super hypocritical that so called environmentalists buy EVs that the manufacture, use of and eventual disposal of, are responsible for far more environmental damage that ICE vehicles , 6 times more according to the president of Toyota and most of the environmental damage is happening in poor, defenseless third world countries out of the sight of virtual signaling leftists. I can't talk - and neither can you - we drive Mustangs. My motto is "thank the greenies for driving EVs - more gas for me".

 

[AZ_Ryan]

@AZ_Ryan ..... you say - "I love how the people that don't believe in climate change or environmental protections are suddenly worried about the environment in China when the subject of EVs comes up." ..... I'm not worried about the destruction of China's environment as they are doing that to themselves. I do think it's super hypocritical that so called environmentalists buy EVs that the manufacture, use of and eventual disposal of, are responsible for far more environmental damage that ICE vehicles , 6 times more according to the president of Toyota and most of the environmental damage is happening in poor, defenseless third world countries out of the sight of virtual signaling leftists. I can't talk - and neither can you - we drive Mustangs. My motto is "thank the greenies for driving EVs - more gas for me".

See that's the thing. The right assumes all EV owners are "greenies" trying to save the earth. All the EV owners I know just got sick of buying gas and the price instabilty that goes with it. The environment doesn't even get a mention.

 

[MegaMan]

The problem of us is that the Mustang costs are inflated, along with much of Ford’s lineup to make the Ford EV’s sellable in the open market because without amortizing the high cost to make the EV lineup, they would sit on lots unsold.



Socialist democracies, communist countries and strongman run juntas around the world aren’t necessarily a good economic representation of why a particular article sells well. Some of the socialist democracies place heavy burdens on fuel tax, road use, noise and “environmental” use that artificially favor EV adoption and use. Whereas in the US, where our fuel tax is a bit more tame, and there is more than one side to the “environmental discussion”, along with vast ranges to get from point a to point b in quite a few cases, the EV simply is not as practical and doesn’t sell as well.



It may be. But, Ford’s promises for the electric F150 were largely oversold and it well underdelivered. It is a cool feature to power the house, no doubt, but a buddy had one for a couple years, resale fell like a rock and it was a troublesome stablemate.



What is the prevailing time to charge an EV on the road?



so that takes you to about 240 miles of range under optimum conditions... ish?

240 miles under ideal conditions is about right… on a 100% full charge it’s about 320 miles of range on the Mach-E Extended Range version I have….realistically about 300 miles if the temps and terrain are great.

I wouldn’t recommend an EV if I were to do it over despite the many positives of EVs the positives do not outweigh the negatives IMO.

People do not consider the dangers of everything being electric. What do you think will happen to the cost of electricity for everyone if all cars are electric? What happens if the powers that be decide to flip the switch? Something to chew on.

 

[Zig]

See that's the thing. The right assumes all EV owners are "greenies" trying to save the earth. All the EV owners I know just got sick of buying gas and the price instabilty that goes with it. The environment doesn't even get a mention.

Fuel instability? That green e-juice aint free and as we can see politicians prefer to never let a tax go uncollected.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Some more details coming out.

- This platform can be used to make a high variety of vehicles, including new cars.

- Customization will be a big part of the platform.

- The truck will have unheard of aero for a truck form factor

- Ford said there's no compromise, including in range or quality, and mentioned how the range and looks are so radical compared to a normal truck, that they gained 50 miles of range compared to if they put this battery in a traditional boxy looking truck.

- This assembly method is so radical that if it works, it could carry over into how Ford builds future gas cars at other factories.

- This new assembly method ensures workers will never have to reach through a vehicle to install things like a seat or dashboard again. The battery pack is the floor, the interior pieces are attached to that, and the whole thing is raised through the bottom of the car once it's done. This improves quality, speed, cost, and quality of life for workers.

 

[Frogdog1]

A good example is the UK. Power prices have risen a lot. Public charging has gone through the roof for fast charge, to the point it is more expensive than diesel to "fill".
So, surprise, surprise, EV sales have tanked, diesel sales are growing.

Our power prices have also risen by around 60%, add the cost of a home charger, and your savings have gone.

And, maintenance on EV's. There is this low maintenance thing volt fans always bring up.
EV's are cars, cars require maintenance. You may not do oil changes, but you still have coolant, you still have mechanical gear sets, electric motors may not wear as fast but they do wear.
Not to mention Tesla rear motor coolant seal failures. I was really surprised that the service cost on a Cupra Born EV was the same as my petrol Cupra Ateca
EV's eat tyres too.
Lastly, try to insure one.

^^^^^^^ THIS at the exact time when known oil and gas reserves both in the USA and the world have never been higher with more discovery ongoing.

 

[LouG]

See that's the thing. The right assumes all EV owners are "greenies" trying to save the earth. All the EV owners I know just got sick of buying gas and the price instabilty that goes with it. The environment doesn't even get a mention.

There is an element of the Greenie thing.
But there were also the early adopters, if it's new, it's great. The same people that queue up for an I Phone that's the same as their old I Phone.
The virtue signallers, the same people who bought Prius's and hid the Bentley in the garage.
And there's the deniers, they can't sell because their EV is worth SFA, so they cling to the EV delusion to avoid looking foolish.
Then, what would happen if the EV dream became reality. Another Enron?
As it is, we're getting squeezed till the pips squeak by our power co's down here.

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

Some more details coming out.

- This platform can be used to make a high variety of vehicles, including new cars.

- Customization will be a big part of the platform.

- The truck will have unheard of aero for a truck form factor

- Ford said there's no compromise, including in range or quality, and mentioned how the range and looks are so radical compared to a normal truck, that they gained 50 miles of range compared to if they put this battery in a traditional boxy looking truck.

- This assembly method is so radical that if it works, it could carry over into how Ford builds future gas cars at other factories.

- This new assembly method ensures workers will never have to reach through a vehicle to install things like a seat or dashboard again. The battery pack is the floor, the interior pieces are attached to that, and the whole thing is raised through the bottom of the car once it's done. This improves quality, speed, cost, and quality of life for workers.

Hopefully it actually becomes a reality as opposed to the usual market hype speak. What I want to know is if this kind of development, should it be successful, will lower the cost of entry into performance cars like the EcoBoost and GT, or if we'll still end up seeing $40-50K for base EcoBoosts and $60K-70K for base GTs...? (I obviously have zero clue.)

 

[DeluxeStang]

Not much to go on, but if this is the roof of the truck next to her here, then it looks pretty low and sleek. I dig it.

 

[Zig]

Not much to go on, but if this is the roof of the truck next to her here, then it looks pretty low and sleek. I dig it.

Did the image get trimmed or are you referencing the shadow to the right?

 

[Kevi]

Can't charge the Charger. Lmao! Skip to 13:30.



Man that level 1 gonna take a while!

 

[DeluxeStang]

Did the image get trimmed or are you referencing the shadow to the right?

Yeah the design under the black tarp to the right. You can see the rake of the windshield/A-pillar, some of the roof, and the rough height of the vehicle. Not much to go on, but at least it's something lol.

That could be another product they're working on, but Ford trademarked the ranchero name for an EV truck, so if Ford's planning to bring the ranchero back, and planning to come out with a lifestyle truck that appeals to younger buyers which seems to be the plan, making it almost a coupe style truck would be kinda badass.

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