Ford reveals details about a 30k EV truck

[DeluxeStang]

Nope. Not on sales figures globally. When the subsidies came off, sales went down the toilet here.

Subsidies do influence EV sales no doubt, but as the price of the vehicle drops, it's less of a factor, because you're getting a pretty good deal either way. I believe the model 3 and Y haven't qualified for subsidies for years because they sold too many, once you reach a certain sales number, your product no longer qualifies for the tax credit, or at least that's what I've been told.

But the model y and 3 still sell in crazy high numbers, because they're appealing, somewhat affordable vehicles. The model y is often one of the best selling individual models in the entire world, and the model 3 isn't that far behind. These large, heavy, 150 grand EVs don't sell, but brands sell the shit out of smaller, more affordable EVs.

This truck will be even more affordable and practical than a model Y. The demand is there, buyers are just waiting for the right product to come along. It's kinda like how people said no one would want a small affordable pickup, and then the maverick came out and it's one of the most popular new cars you see driving around.

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[AZ_Ryan]

The amount of people who still think you have to charge an EV for 2 hours every 200 miles speaks to the prevailing ignorance of the topic.

And btw, I have no dog in the fight. I just prefer informed opinions over emotional bias when having a discussion. EVs seem to bring out the later.

 

[DeluxeStang]

What's the point of a truck you can't tow with. Can't take to the beach or desert or mountains. You might as well just buy a mini van if all you want to do with it is take kids to school. It's useless as a truck.

Sitting at a charging station for two hours every 200 miles on a road trip doesn't sound very economical if your time is worth anything at all. If you can even find one that works. At least you can carry a big gas generator in the pickup bed. LMAO!

I'd argue payload matters a lot more than towing, because it's what truck owners actually do. My maverick hybrid can't tow shit, it's like a 2k tow capacity, but the payload is 1,500 lbs, pretty damn solid for a small truck. It's more than enough to do all the truck hauling I need to do.

It's the same deal with off-roading, I live in Utah, the king of off-roading, and I would have to go out of my way to find an off-road trail to drive on. Body on frame vehicles are generally a lot worse handling and riding in day to day life, and their only real advantage is something I, and 99.9% of other truck owners will never do, go off-road.

I'd much rather have a unibody truck that handles and rides well. Unless I'm jumping the thing, it's not like it's gonna have any issues.

 

[DeluxeStang]

The amount of people who still think you have to charge an EV for 2 hours every 200 miles speaks to the prevailing ignorance of the topic.

And btw, I have no dog in the fight. I just prefer informed opinions over emotional bias when having a discussion. EVs seem to bring out the later.

Couldn't agree more, I'm hardly the kind of person who thinks EVs are Lord and master over all, I'm just someone who loves it all. There's a lot of ignorance on hybrids and EVs in terms of how reliable they are, how to maintain them, range, driving characteristics, and so on.

 

[MAT1955]

Why I hate EVs: Apart from the danger of fires that are terribly destructive and their wasteful manufacture that the president of Toyota said take SIX times more material to build .... the materials - for their batteries alone - are mined in poor countries who cannot economically stand-up to the foreign bullies. China is destroying its own country That is on THEM.....but, virtue signaling do gooders and radical leftists in Europe and North America are funding the environmental destruction of poor poor economically defenseless countries like Chile (lithium harvesting) and Indonesia (nickel harvesting) --- Google the documentaries SO ..... to EV supporters I say SHAME ON YOU!!!!!

 

[MegaMan]

I have a Mustang Mach-E and a Mustang GT. The honest truth is that EVs are great at being practical run around town cars that are low to almost no maintenance… BUT they honestly suck at going long distances or if you need to charge in public - significant trade offs with needing to charge for 45 minutes on a public fast charger only to go from 20% to 80%. Adds hours to road trips!! The other big con (for car enthusiasts at least) is that EVs have no sound, they lack the emotion/sound that a V8 can produce. The depreciation is also unbelievably bad- fully loaded paid 62K, in one year with only 3K miles, valued at 35K… insane. To be honest, I would not buy another EV - the pros do not outweigh the cons in my own opinion. Also I forgot to mention that the public infrastructure is far from being reliable and ubiquitous enough - many charging stations don’t work or are out of service. I think that EV tech is cool, but the trade offs aren’t worth it.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

I love how the people that don't believe in climate change or environmental protections are suddenly worried about the environment in China when the subject of EVs comes up.

 

[LouG]

The amount of people who still think you have to charge an EV for 2 hours every 200 miles speaks to the prevailing ignorance of the topic.

And btw, I have no dog in the fight. I just prefer informed opinions over emotional bias when having a discussion. EVs seem to bring out the later.

To be precise, I meant stopping every couple of hours not charging for 2 hours, and it would easily be 2 hours or less with my driving style
And, it is emotional. Car people get emotional over their passion. I've driven a mid range Euro EV, it was lovely, just like some AI image of a real person.
I've never missed a fridge, or named one. I do get a bit emotional when there's a lovely Chablis chilled just right sitting on the bottle rack, making eyes at me.
My dog is going to rest now.

 

[Mr Hyde]

meh ev are still a bad joke and the punchline is the buyer as for climate change there is no such thing. The earths climate changes constantly. If you want one go buy one. They are not and never will be practical for more than fancy golf cart local driving. Physics is a fucking bitch.

 

[smurfslayer]

Subsidies do influence EV sales no doubt, but as the price of the vehicle drops, it's less of a factor, because you're getting a pretty good deal either way.

The problem of us is that the Mustang costs are inflated, along with much of Ford’s lineup to make the Ford EV’s sellable in the open market because without amortizing the high cost to make the EV lineup, they would sit on lots unsold.

But the model y and 3 still sell in crazy high numbers, because they're appealing, somewhat affordable vehicles. The model y is often one of the best selling individual models in the entire world, and the model 3 isn't that far behind

Socialist democracies, communist countries and strongman run juntas around the world aren’t necessarily a good economic representation of why a particular article sells well. Some of the socialist democracies place heavy burdens on fuel tax, road use, noise and “environmental” use that artificially favor EV adoption and use. Whereas in the US, where our fuel tax is a bit more tame, and there is more than one side to the “environmental discussion”, along with vast ranges to get from point a to point b in quite a few cases, the EV simply is not as practical and doesn’t sell as well.

This truck will be even more affordable and practical than a model Y. The demand is there

It may be. But, Ford’s promises for the electric F150 were largely oversold and it well underdelivered. It is a cool feature to power the house, no doubt, but a buddy had one for a couple years, resale fell like a rock and it was a troublesome stablemate.

The amount of people who still think you have to charge an EV for 2 hours every 200 miles speaks to the prevailing ignorance of the topic.

What is the prevailing time to charge an EV on the road?

needing to charge for 45 minutes on a public fast charger only to go from 20% to 80%

so that takes you to about 240 miles of range under optimum conditions... ish?

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Super unleaded is 1.75 euros per liter today in Bavaria.
https://www.fuelflash.eu/en/bavaria-petrol-münchen-germany-zehentbauernstraße-82/

Not many of us would be driving a Coyote engine at that price.

1.75 euros is $2.05

A gallon is 3.78541 liters. 3.78541 x $2.05 = $7.76 per gallon, or $124.16 per full tank of gas

You would seriously consider an electric vehicle or little economy car, too, if that were your cost of fuel.

 

[Kevi]

Super unleaded is 1.75 euros per liter today in Bavaria.
https://www.fuelflash.eu/en/bavaria-petrol-münchen-germany-zehentbauernstraße-82/

Not many of us would be driving a Coyote engine at that price.

1.75 euros is $2.05

A gallon is 3.78541 liters. 3.78541 x $2.05 = $7.76 per gallon, or $124.16 per full tank of gas

You would seriously consider an electric vehicle or little economy car, too, if that were your cost of fuel.

Lucky for USA citizens our gasoline tax isn't paying for our "free" health care. Ours is only taxed a few cents to pay for road maintenance.

 

[Frogdog1]

Lucky for USA citizens our gasoline tax isn't paying for our "free" health care. Ours is only taxed a few cents to pay for road maintenance.

Better check what you're paying for gas tax. It's more than a few cents, then think about your road maintenance or road condition anywhere for that matter. Infrastructure in the U.S is in decline.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Lucky for USA citizens our gasoline tax isn't paying for our "free" health care. Ours is only taxed a few cents to pay for road maintenance.

The state of Maryland taxes 46 cents per gallon.

46 and one tenth for E85.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

The federal government taxes 18.4 cents per gallon.

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