Does anyone else here feel like the A10 lugs a bit on inclines?

[GWink]

As stated, it seems like the newest programming for the A10 LOVES to stay in the highest gear possible, especially on slight inclines, where the engine almost seems to lug and not like the gear it is in at all. We’ve had a 2015 and 2019 GT convertibles, and I don’t remember their hesitance to downshift like our 2024 does. I find myself using the “M” setting and holding the trans in 6th on the highway and 4th in town, and the engine sounds much happier, you know?

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[Will2]

On my '24 Ecoboost the A10 had a dangerous level of lugging up inclines. I live on the highest hill in my county so I have to go up inclines daily. It would consistently not downshift as I gradually applied more gas until like 90% throttle, then suddenly react. Pretty sure that was a transmission programming issue on behalf of Ford.

Honestly felt like a safety concern since you can't accelerate when needed going uphill, unless you basically floored it. This happens if you gradually apply throttle up an incline. To avoid this, I'd have to really dig into the throttle at the bottom of the hill to make the computer know to accelerate, and each adjustment has to be a significant dig into the throttle or it just wouldn't respond and keep lugging at the same RPM as your foot got closer and closer to the floor.

 

[Billycar11]

what drive mode are you in?
sport will be more willing to downshift

 

[GrabThatBlue]

Yes, I noticed this too. I live on a small island with mountains and it really loves to stay on a high gear, untill the moment I can feel the car struggles. I had noticed this very quick, so now I change it manually using the wheel shifters and putting it on sport.

It also may be a learning issue, since the car still needs to learn your way of driving.

 

[GWink]

what drive mode are you in?
sport will be more willing to downshift

Just easier for me (and my 73 year old ears!) to go to ”M” and use the paddles, then just click back into D after getting on the level again……

 

[smurfslayer]

Take it to the dealer. My ‘17 Raptor did this all the time from new. I logged my first complaint at first service. Then, I asked them to reprogram pursuant to a known TSB. S/A said they did it, but instead they checked and programing was current. I barked pretty loud at this, brought it back.

got them to take my complaint and they STILL fought me. I finally went to the TSB, and told the S/A it does “quote from the TSB” and they finally did the reprogram. It was significantly improved and no longer refused downshifting from 10th. It still jumps to 10 by 42mph, but at least she won’t stubbornly hold that under increased load.

you can also clear the adaptive learning tables with forscan, it may give some temporary relief, but from what y’all are describing it needs the transmission program updated.

 

[Alan Applegate]

My 2024 Eco-Boost was made in June, so perhaps the programming was already done? Whatever, I've never notice any hesitation even in Normal.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Take it to the dealer. My ‘17 Raptor did this all the time from new. I logged my first complaint at first service. Then, I asked them to reprogram pursuant to a known TSB. S/A said they did it, but instead they checked and programing was current. I barked pretty loud at this, brought it back.

got them to take my complaint and they STILL fought me. I finally went to the TSB, and told the S/A it does “quote from the TSB” and they finally did the reprogram. It was significantly improved and no longer refused downshifting from 10th. It still jumps to 10 by 42mph, but at least she won’t stubbornly hold that under increased load.

you can also clear the adaptive learning tables with forscan, it may give some temporary relief, but from what y’all are describing it needs the transmission program updated.

I believe that TSB was specific to the F150. Plus the 24+ Mustangs already have updated programing.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

On my '24 Ecoboost the A10 had a dangerous level of lugging up inclines. I live on the highest hill in my county so I have to go up inclines daily. It would consistently not downshift as I gradually applied more gas until like 90% throttle, then suddenly react. Pretty sure that was a transmission programming issue on behalf of Ford.

Honestly felt like a safety concern since you can't accelerate when needed going uphill, unless you basically floored it. This happens if you gradually apply throttle up an incline. To avoid this, I'd have to really dig into the throttle at the bottom of the hill to make the computer know to accelerate, and each adjustment has to be a significant dig into the throttle or it just wouldn't respond and keep lugging at the same RPM as your foot got closer and closer to the floor.

What RPMs are you running when this happens? Is it any better in Sport or Track mode?

 

[Kevi]

It does seem to linger in higher gears at low speeds. Easy enough to flick the paddle down a few notches if it's uncomfortable. I like how the exhaust bubbles on downshifts anyway before I make a turn. You don't even have to use the gear selector manual mode. You can hit the paddles any time. It will just revert back to normal auto shifting after a few seconds of inactivity.

I like normal mode. I'm not a big fan of sport or track mode, too jerky shifting for regular road driving.

 

[smurfslayer]

I believe that TSB was specific to the F150. Plus the 24+ Mustangs already have updated programing.

I realize the one I’m referring to was about the F150’s, but the principle is still the same. This is an economy strategy, so they can meet the corp. cafe standards, and in some cases it’s dangerous and we can thank throttle by wire for that.
There’s no longer a direct relationship between the amount of throttle you give the car and how much the car responds to. Instead, in normal mode, the vehicle is programmed for economy. I’ll say that my Dark Horse responds really well as compared to my Raptor when considering ‘normal’ mode but it’s not a fair comparison. The ’17-’20 Raptors lacked an “eco” mode, so eco was rebranded ‘normal’.

If you don’t lodge a complaint, nothing ever gets done. if enough people complain, they’re more likely to release some updated programming that is less restrictive on downshifts.

 

[LouG]

I'm confused when you say it stays in a "high" gear. To me, if the engine is lugging that means it's staying in a low gear and not up-shifting. Am I misunderstanding? What RPMs are you running when this happens? Is it any better in Sport or Track mode?

Lugging high is high load/high gear. I don't know the correct term for what you're describing, but I've had it happen when I've inadvertently pulled the shifter back to M.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Lugging high is high load/high gear. I don't know the correct term for what you're describing, but I've had it happen when I've inadvertently pulled the shifter back to M.

Edit - my dyslexia is having a bad day. Nevermind.

 

[Starship Enterprise]

Not sure if you guys know this, probably do, but I’ll say it anyway just to be sure you guys know that even in Drive, you can activate the paddles and it goes into Manual mode. Only downside is that it’s temporary and if the paddles aren’t touched for like 5-10 seconds it reverts back to Auto.

I guess if dealing with constant hills, Manual mode is the best option, but clicking through 10 gears is tedious IMO. It would be cool if the Manual mode was 5 or 6 gears.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

I personally have not experienced this. But I'd think sport or track mode, or even just a manual flip of the paddle to downshift would eliminate this issue. In the old days I would always use overdrive when climbing hills anyway.

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