1st Oil Change (Completed) - Low Oil (Next Step Advice)

[LouG]

Read above guys. It's was Ford's quick lane.

yep, saw that.

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[robvas]

The tick was around in the 32v 4.6 days....

 

[steveo1960]

While I haven't gotten the tick yet, 9k miles, if I do I'll put the brakes on my OCD ! There are many, many people with 100,000 miles plus who have the tick and their cars are running fine. Same for those tracking their cars. If there was a systemic failure due to the BBQ tick it would have surfaced years ago

 

[AZ_Ryan]

While I haven't gotten the tick yet, 9k miles, if I do I'll put the brakes on my OCD ! There are many, many people with 100,000 miles plus who have the tick and their cars are running fine. Same for those tracking their cars. If there was a systemic failure due to the BBQ tick it would have surfaced years ago

Well, pretty much all of them have the tick to varying degrees. You just haven't heard yours yet.

But I agree, its widely accepted as a harmless Coyote noise. In 10 years, I have yet to read about any failures attributed to it. A half a bottle of Ceratec after an oil change cures it in 95% of cars.

 

[MAT1955]

I have probably just jinxed the crap out of myself but my 2024 GT 5.0 has no "tic", maybe because I always have the techs (for all my vehicles) pre-fill the oil filter. However my 10R80 does have the "supercharger whine" so I guess win one lose one.

 

[DarkMatterGrey]

A half a bottle of Ceratec after an oil change cures it in 95% of cars.

I’d argue if anything it treats, but does not cure it.

 

[DarkMatterGrey]

I have probably just jinxed the crap out of myself but my 2024 GT 5.0 has no "tic", maybe because I always have the techs (for all my vehicles) pre-fill the oil filter. However my 10R80 does have the "supercharger whine" so I guess win one lose one.

Nope, not tied to filter pre-fill. If anything additional oil additives seem to treat it. One observation is it goes away with miles only to return back after an oil change. So what could be in the oil then? One theory is oil accumulates suspended carbon from among other processes blow by. Small amounts of small particle suspended carbon is known to have tribological benefit. So then why do cars not have the tic from the factory? One theory is that a friction modifier is added to the factory fill. But what could this magic elixir be? Possibly XL17, which is suspended carbon/graphene.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

That's been a debate since 2011, and to a lager extent since 2018 when it became prevalent in the 3rd gen coyote. There are theories, but no tech or any one from Ford has been able to formally diagnose. If you want to go down the rabbit hole, do a search on the 6g forum. I'd highly recommend against it if you like your sanity though.

Its an incredibly easy way to kill an hour or two. The problem is that there are, like, three or four different and distinct ticks that people were all attributing to a single name.

I'm of the opinion that the typical tick is a mix of fuel injectors noise and cavitation in the oil pump. The consistent typewriter being injectors whilst the less consistent BBQ being cavitation.

I think the only time the tick was an actual problem was on the 3rd gen coyotes. Something about the bore to piston clearance, iirc.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Its an incredibly easy way to kill an hour or two. The problem is that there are, like, three or four different and distinct ticks that people were all attributing to a single name.

I'm of the opinion that the typical tick is a mix of fuel injectors noise and cavitation in the oil pump. The consistent typewriter being injectors whilst the less consistent BBQ being cavitation.

The typewriter or BBQ tick is pretty distinct. But you are right, many people conflate injector tick, the 2k rattle, and BBQ tick as the same thing.

I think the only time the tick was an actual problem was on the 3rd gen coyotes. Something about the bore to piston clearance, iirc.

No. "Piston slap" is/was often wrongly thrown around on the internet as a reason for the tick or the "2k rattle". But there was never a bore clearance problem on the gen 3 coyote. At least not a common one having anything to do with the BBQ tick.

Part of the problem with the gens 3s, was that they were the first to use direct and port injection, which made for some very noisy injectors. They also had composite oil pans which was very poor at insulating engine noise. Gen 4 still has direct and port injection, but seems to be quieter IMO. They also went back to the steel oil pan.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Part of the problem with the gens 3s, was that they were the first to use direct and port injection, which made for some very noisy injectors. They also had composite oil pans which was very poor at insulating engine noise. Gen 4 still has direct and port injection, but seems to be quieter IMO. They also went back to the steel oil pan.

Maybe it was only on F150's, but I distinctly remember reading about something regarding the bore on gen 3's. Either undersized pistons, or QA, or something along that line

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Yeah, this thread here.
Apparently they were set up "looser", as per Palm Beach. The reason why, though, is up in the air

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...-tick-according-to-mpr-racing-engines.115370/

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Yeah, this thread here.
Apparently they were set up "looser", as per Palm Beach. The reason why, though, is up in the air

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...-tick-according-to-mpr-racing-engines.115370/

Just one of many online theories. That certainly doesn't prove anything.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Just one of many online theories. That certainly doesn't prove anything.

Either way, gen 3's had teething issues moreso than 1's and 2's. There was absolutely a spike in failures.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Either way, gen 3's had teething issues moreso than 1's and 2's. There was absolutely a spike in failures.

Source?

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Source?

multiple forum threads, independent shop accounts, many many warranty claims.

Its well documented there was issues in the first year.

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