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I did a lot of research on this before I pulled the trigger. Many S650 owners opted for the Pioneer TS-A250D4 of which most forum members claim is a very satisfactory speaker replacement. I went the Pioneer route, but opted for the upgraded TS-D10D4 ($120 on Amazon). Since I was NOT installing a stand-alone amp to power this thing and I am relying on the OEM B&O Amp, I went with this unit because it has dual 4-ohm drivers, a little bit more throw, frequency range (20Hz to 6.6 kHz), slightly higher speaker efficiency (76dB), butyl rubber surround and and a spider fiber cone. NOTE: Both Pioneer units fit exactly the same, slightly off from the factory OEM mount holes, but real close.

First, I removed the sub and housing from the trunk. Simply removed three 13mm bolts and I disconnected the wire connector plug in the rear. I took the whole unit out of the trunk and over to my work bench for the speaker swap over process.

Second, as with many forum members, I found it difficult to remove the outer trim ring. Yes, I broke a few of the stud/clips while removing the ring. I fixed this with a different solution of which I will describe later in Step 8.

Third, once the outer trim ring was off, I found it very simple to swap over the speakers. 1) I removed the six Torx screws. 2) Set aside the OEM grille cover. 3) Gently put a flathead screw driver behind the speaker steel basket outer ring to pry the speaker away from the housing (it has a sticky seal around the inner diameter of the speaker basket outer mount ring). 4) This freed up the old speaker and I simply disconnected the two wire connectors from the OEM speaker. 5) OEM Speaker is now free and out of the way.

Fourth, I took the new Pioneer speaker of the the box and test fit it. The 6-mount hole diameter is slightly smaller so the mount holes WILL NOT ALIGN with the OEM enclosure. Thus, I took my wire cutter (side cuts) then snipped out all six mount holes to form a "V" at each mount hole. (Some others write they used a Dremel cutter wheel but I didn't want metal shavings and metal dust to attract to the new speaker's magnet). Then I took a file and smoothed down the rough edges so that I would have a flat surface for the screw heads. I then test fit the speaker again. SUCCESS. The six OEM Torx screws will now work to secure the speaker utilizing the OEM factory mount holes of the enclosure.

Fifth. I took some 1/4" weatherstrip foam and run a bead around the entire circumference of the inner speaker basket mount ring.

Sixth. I snipped off the OEM wire connectors, stripped back the wire ends and installed some 8" extensions onto the existing wires using crimp splices. I wrapped the wires and splices in black tape the full length of the extensions up to the speaker connection points. Since the Pioneer Speaker uses spring loaded wire connectors, I easily stripped back the wire extension ends and simply inserted them in the connector holes (Pioneer made it real simple). Green/Yellow are POSITIVE. Black/Purple are NEGATIVE.

Seven. Now that the new speaker is ready to install (wires connected and foam seal on the inner side of the mount ring), I fitted the enclosure with a layer of fiber fill blanket material then placed the speaker into the opening of the enclosure. I aligned the mount holes, placed the OEM grille cover in its position and re-installed the 6 OEM, Torx screws. Now the speaker is mounted to the enclosure.

Eight. Since I broke off some of the stud/clips on the outer trim ring, I decided to put the trim ring back in its position then I drilled (2) holes on the "tabs" of the trim ring and installed (2) black phillips-head sheet metal screws to secure the trim ring. DO NOT OVER-TIGHTEN. You are using plastic to secure this trim ring.

Nine. I re-installed the Subwoofer unit in the trunk in reverse order from Step 1.

Ok, now it's time to test it. I started the car and played some music that I knew had some strong bass play. This speaker will NOT rattle your windows (of which I WAS NOT looking for), but it definitely added that missing bass "thump" I was looking for. It blends the low-end bass very well with the other (11) speakers and adds that "thump" that was missing with the OEM speaker. End result, I am very happy with the finished product and its sound and it only took maybe 1-hour, 15-minutes to complete start-to-finish

Photo attached of the finished product, Note the added (2) black head screws on the outer ring tabs.

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Nice! On my install, I noticed that the sub change made the remaining speakers sound better. I think the OEM sub was putting out a bad resonance or something that suppressed the other speakers. My door woofers sound so much better now!

Replacing the center front speaker works well too.
 

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I did a lot of research on this before I pulled the trigger. Many S650 owners opted for the Pioneer TS-A250D4 of which most forum members claim is a very satisfactory speaker replacement. I went the Pioneer route, but opted for the upgraded TS-D10D4 ($120 on Amazon). Since I was NOT installing a stand-alone amp to power this thing and I am relying on the OEM B&O Amp, I went with this unit because it has dual 4-ohm drivers, a little bit more throw, frequency range (20Hz to 6.6 kHz), slightly higher speaker efficiency (76dB), butyl rubber surround and and a spider fiber cone. NOTE: Both Pioneer units fit exactly the same, slightly off from the factory OEM mount holes, but real close.

First, I removed the sub and housing from the trunk. Simply removed three 13mm bolts and I disconnected the wire connector plug in the rear. I took the whole unit out of the trunk and over to my work bench for the speaker swap over process.

Second, as with many forum members, I found it difficult to remove the outer trim ring. Yes, I broke a few of the stud/clips while removing the ring. I fixed this with a different solution of which I will describe later in Step 8.

Third, once the outer trim ring was off, I found it very simple to swap over the speakers. 1) I removed the six Torx screws. 2) Set aside the OEM grille cover. 3) Gently put a flathead screw driver behind the speaker steel basket outer ring to pry the speaker away from the housing (it has a sticky seal around the inner diameter of the speaker basket outer mount ring). 4) This freed up the old speaker and I simply disconnected the two wire connectors from the OEM speaker. 5) OEM Speaker is now free and out of the way.

Fourth, I took the new Pioneer speaker of the the box and test fit it. The 6-mount hole diameter is slightly smaller so the mount holes WILL NOT ALIGN with the OEM enclosure. Thus, I took my wire cutter (side cuts) then snipped out all six mount holes to form a "V" at each mount hole. (Some others write they used a Dremel cutter wheel but I didn't want metal shavings and metal dust to attract to the new speaker's magnet). Then I took a file and smoothed down the rough edges so that I would have a flat surface for the screw heads. I then test fit the speaker again. SUCCESS. The six OEM Torx screws will now work to secure the speaker utilizing the OEM factory mount holes of the enclosure.

Fifth. I took some 1/4" weatherstrip foam and run a bead around the entire circumference of the inner speaker basket mount ring.

Sixth. I snipped off the OEM wire connectors, stripped back the wire ends and installed some 8" extensions onto the existing wires using crimp splices. I wrapped the wires and splices in black tape the full length of the extensions up to the speaker connection points. Since the Pioneer Speaker uses spring loaded wire connectors, I easily stripped back the wire extension ends and simply inserted them in the connector holes (Pioneer made it real simple). Green/Yellow are POSITIVE. Black/Purple are NEGATIVE.

Seven. Now that the new speaker is ready to install (wires connected and foam seal on the inner side of the mount ring), I fitted the enclosure with a layer of fiber fill blanket material then placed the speaker into the opening of the enclosure. I aligned the mount holes, placed the OEM grille cover in its position and re-installed the 6 OEM, Torx screws. Now the speaker is mounted to the enclosure.

Eight. Since I broke off some of the stud/clips on the outer trim ring, I decided to put the trim ring back in its position then I drilled (2) holes on the "tabs" of the trim ring and installed (2) black phillips-head sheet metal screws to secure the trim ring. DO NOT OVER-TIGHTEN. You are using plastic to secure this trim ring.

Nine. I re-installed the Subwoofer unit in the trunk in reverse order from Step 1.

Ok, now it's time to test it. I started the car and played some music that I knew had some strong bass play. This speaker will NOT rattle your windows (of which I WAS NOT looking for), but it definitely added that missing bass "thump" I was looking for. It blends the low-end bass very well with the other (11) speakers and adds that "thump" that was missing with the OEM speaker. End result, I am very happy with the finished product and its sound and it only took maybe 1-hour, 15-minutes to complete start-to-finish

Photo attached of the finished product, Note the added (2) black head screws on the outer ring tabs.

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This speaker has two inputs, how did you wire it in?
 
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This speaker has two inputs, how did you wire it in?
The OEM, B&O speaker is a DUAL, 4-ohm speaker. There are (2) OEM connectors on the back with (2) wires on each connector for a total of (4) wires. I don't remember the wire pair colors but I do know Green & Yellow are the Positives. Black & Purple are the Negatives.

I clipped off the (2) OEM connectors. Stripped back the (4) wire ends (green, yellow, black & purple). Added 8" wire extensions onto the OEM wires to make it easier to assemble. I used plastic shielded crimp connectors and gave each wire a little tug to make sure they were crimped solidly. Then I wrapped the wire extensions with black automotive wire harness tape over the top of and all the way from the crimps to the very ends of the extension (leaving a little wire exposed to strip back for the speaker connections).

The Pioneer speaker has spring loaded connectors. Makes it easy to slide in the (4) stripped back wire ends and slip them into the connector holes. No external connector required.
 


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Must be satire - thread nr. 102 on the very same subject and that even with a very similar user name as the original priest of the whatever Pioneer replacement (Gregs24) :giggle:
Why not put it to the general B&O subwoofer upgrade thread?

Anyway, if I were still looking for a sub upgrade, I might have read every thread and post there was :)
 

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Must be satire - thread nr. 102 on the very same subject and that even with a very similar user name as the original priest of the whatever Pioneer replacement (Gregs24) :giggle:
Why not put it to the general B&O subwoofer upgrade thread?

Anyway, if I were still looking for a sub upgrade, I might have read every thread and post there was :)
25 must be an upgrade on 24 :wink:

Maybe I have a doppelganger?
 

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I did a lot of research on this before I pulled the trigger. Many S650 owners opted for the Pioneer TS-A250D4 of which most forum members claim is a very satisfactory speaker replacement. I went the Pioneer route, but opted for the upgraded TS-D10D4 ($120 on Amazon). Since I was NOT installing a stand-alone amp to power this thing and I am relying on the OEM B&O Amp, I went with this unit because it has dual 4-ohm drivers, a little bit more throw, frequency range (20Hz to 6.6 kHz), slightly higher speaker efficiency (76dB), butyl rubber surround and and a spider fiber cone. NOTE: Both Pioneer units fit exactly the same, slightly off from the factory OEM mount holes, but real close.

First, I removed the sub and housing from the trunk. Simply removed three 13mm bolts and I disconnected the wire connector plug in the rear. I took the whole unit out of the trunk and over to my work bench for the speaker swap over process.

Second, as with many forum members, I found it difficult to remove the outer trim ring. Yes, I broke a few of the stud/clips while removing the ring. I fixed this with a different solution of which I will describe later in Step 8.

Third, once the outer trim ring was off, I found it very simple to swap over the speakers. 1) I removed the six Torx screws. 2) Set aside the OEM grille cover. 3) Gently put a flathead screw driver behind the speaker steel basket outer ring to pry the speaker away from the housing (it has a sticky seal around the inner diameter of the speaker basket outer mount ring). 4) This freed up the old speaker and I simply disconnected the two wire connectors from the OEM speaker. 5) OEM Speaker is now free and out of the way.

Fourth, I took the new Pioneer speaker of the the box and test fit it. The 6-mount hole diameter is slightly smaller so the mount holes WILL NOT ALIGN with the OEM enclosure. Thus, I took my wire cutter (side cuts) then snipped out all six mount holes to form a "V" at each mount hole. (Some others write they used a Dremel cutter wheel but I didn't want metal shavings and metal dust to attract to the new speaker's magnet). Then I took a file and smoothed down the rough edges so that I would have a flat surface for the screw heads. I then test fit the speaker again. SUCCESS. The six OEM Torx screws will now work to secure the speaker utilizing the OEM factory mount holes of the enclosure.

Fifth. I took some 1/4" weatherstrip foam and run a bead around the entire circumference of the inner speaker basket mount ring.

Sixth. I snipped off the OEM wire connectors, stripped back the wire ends and installed some 8" extensions onto the existing wires using crimp splices. I wrapped the wires and splices in black tape the full length of the extensions up to the speaker connection points. Since the Pioneer Speaker uses spring loaded wire connectors, I easily stripped back the wire extension ends and simply inserted them in the connector holes (Pioneer made it real simple). Green/Yellow are POSITIVE. Black/Purple are NEGATIVE.

Seven. Now that the new speaker is ready to install (wires connected and foam seal on the inner side of the mount ring), I fitted the enclosure with a layer of fiber fill blanket material then placed the speaker into the opening of the enclosure. I aligned the mount holes, placed the OEM grille cover in its position and re-installed the 6 OEM, Torx screws. Now the speaker is mounted to the enclosure.

Eight. Since I broke off some of the stud/clips on the outer trim ring, I decided to put the trim ring back in its position then I drilled (2) holes on the "tabs" of the trim ring and installed (2) black phillips-head sheet metal screws to secure the trim ring. DO NOT OVER-TIGHTEN. You are using plastic to secure this trim ring.

Nine. I re-installed the Subwoofer unit in the trunk in reverse order from Step 1.

Ok, now it's time to test it. I started the car and played some music that I knew had some strong bass play. This speaker will NOT rattle your windows (of which I WAS NOT looking for), but it definitely added that missing bass "thump" I was looking for. It blends the low-end bass very well with the other (11) speakers and adds that "thump" that was missing with the OEM speaker. End result, I am very happy with the finished product and its sound and it only took maybe 1-hour, 15-minutes to complete start-to-finish

Photo attached of the finished product, Note the added (2) black head screws on the outer ring tabs.

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That is the worst-most ghetto install I have seen yet.
2 Phillips screws jammed in there? I mean seriously?
I would have ordered a new trim ring. A 70k car that looks like an $8 an hour meth head or boomer worked on it.
 

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That is the worst-most ghetto install I have seen yet.
2 Phillips screws jammed in there? I mean seriously?
I would have ordered a new trim ring. A 70k car that looks like an $8 an hour meth head or boomer worked on it.
LOL

Honestly, think it looks great. I did not even notice the Philips head screws at first, and they would look like they belong there if you were not aware that the car did not originally come that way.
 
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That is the worst-most ghetto install I have seen yet.
2 Phillips screws jammed in there? I mean seriously?
I would have ordered a new trim ring. A 70k car that looks like an $8 an hour meth head or boomer worked on it.
Aren't you Mr. perfection. If you have nothing nice to say, keep it to yourself. I am not a meth head you butthole.
 

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Aren't you Mr. perfection. If you have nothing nice to say, keep it to yourself. I am not a meth head you butthole.
There are a few on here who like to express their 'freedom of speech' no matter what.

Ignore button works well :wink:
 

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LOL

Honestly, think it looks great. I did not even notice the Philips head screws at first, and they would look like they belong there if you were not aware that the car did not originally come that way.
It’s absolutely the worst.
Every time you open the trunk your eyes are going right to the two screws he dug out of his toolbox.
 

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Aren't you Mr. perfection. If you have nothing nice to say, keep it to yourself. I am not a meth head you butthole.
I’m going to be nice and help you. Go to the dealer and get a new locking ring. They can have it in a day or two. The job will look A LOT cleaner.
You can thank me later itā€˜s ok.
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