Considering selling my special order GT

[Upacurb]

My hesitation with any tuning is that I’ve got a lifetime powertrain warranty and I do plan on using that warranty in the future. I’m afraid any sign of a tune in the computer’s log or history would invalidate that warranty

Its a Coyote....they dont break......for the gains Im seeing Id say its worth it to tune.....
How much did you pay for the warranty? can you get a partial refund?

Yes Im a bad influence.....but seriously.....unless you get some hack to tune it ....the chances of breaking a NA Coyote are pretty close to 0

Yes the warranty is lifetime.....but do you really see yourself keeping this car to over 100K miles?

Peer pressure time lol

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[Awt2858]

Its a Coyote....they dont break......for the gains Im seeing Id say its worth it to tune.....
How much did you pay for the warranty? can you get a partial refund?

Yes Im a bad influence.....but seriously.....unless you get some hack to tune it ....the chances of breaking a NA Coyote are pretty close to 0

Yes the warranty is lifetime.....but do you really see yourself keeping this car to over 100K miles?

Peer pressure time lol

You’ve discovered my greatest weakness - peer pressure
I actually didn’t pay anything for the lifetime warranty and I made sure it wasn’t on the cost sheet when I was in the finance office. I didn’t know I was getting it until the dealership’s GM came into the office and told me they included it on my car.
I do plan on keeping the car indefinitely, well past 100k mi. That was my self-convincing justification in specing up the order sheet.

 

[Awt2858]

I think I have had a similar issue in a different car (not my Mustang)... if I came to a stop, and then immediately tried to give it gas, it would have a short hesitation. Perhaps the trans not shifting to 1st quick enough... not sure what it was exactly, though a tune (with transmission tune) seemed to nearly eliminate the issue.

But who did you use for a tuner, and was the tune more to address the cars inherent lags or more a performance gains-based tune?

 

[Junkyard Dog]

.....but do you really see yourself keeping this car to over 100K miles?

I have never actually owned a car for less than 100,000 miles. Usually several hundred thousand, and one time over half a million. The lowest was an Audi that I traded for the Mustang, just over 100,000.

 

[young at heart]

But who did you use for a tuner, and was the tune more to address the cars inherent lags or more a performance gains-based tune?

You didn’t ask me but I’ll be happy to butt in about my tune. It’s very reasonably priced and is in actuality my left thumb. You just click the drive mode selector a few times and pop it into track mode. Then liberally apply that device found at the end of your right leg to the accelerator pedal. Voila, problem solved!

Of course, then one has to face the fact that unless his car is broken there is no “inherent lag”. Except the one between the driver and the controls. I guess for some it’s easier to chase a non-existent problem than it is to learn how the car likes to be driven and do so.

 

[Zig]

You didn’t ask me but I’ll be happy to butt in about my tune. It’s very reasonably priced and is in actuality my left thumb. You just click the drive mode selector a few times and pop it into track mode. Then liberally apply that device found at the end of your right leg to the accelerator pedal. Voila, problem solved!

Of course, then one has to face the fact that unless his car is broken there is no “inherent lag”. Except the one between the driver and the controls. I guess for some it’s easier to chase a non-existent problem than it is to learn how the car likes to be driven and do so.

If you press the go pedal (progressively more aggressively) and then suddenly release and immediately return depression does it kick or lag?

 

[Sofa King]

But who did you use for a tuner, and was the tune more to address the cars inherent lags or more a performance gains-based tune?

It was a trifecta "canned" tune for power and better shift pattern... tuner said it wouldn't completely resolve the issue, but should improve it... which it did.

 

[young at heart]

If you press the go pedal (progressively more aggressively) and then suddenly release and immediately return depression does it kick or lag?

I don’t give such a thing the remotest thought. If I had to think about every move I made driving I couldn’t possibly enjoy it. I put it in track mode, hit the gas and the car goes like stink just like they did back in the old days. No weirdness whatsoever.

Why would I care about knowing more?

 

[Awt2858]

I don’t give such a thing the remotest thought. If I had to think about every move I made driving I couldn’t possibly enjoy it. I put it in track mode, hit the gas and the car goes like stink just like they did back in the old days. No weirdness whatsoever.

Why would I care about knowing more?

Zig’s question reflects a very real driving situation that nearly all of us encounter on a daily basis and you did, in a roundabout way, answer.
Hypothetically though, would you care if you put it in track mode, hit the gas and nothing at all happened? The engine sits at idle, despite you pushing past 1/2 throttle. You take your foot off the gas after holding it there a quarter second and reapply throttle to see if it’ll do something this time and with more throttle, still nothing? Then all of a sudden the car makes a loud and hard thud, shuttering, and, narrowly avoiding stalling itself, starts driving?

 

[LouG]

It does seem to be beyond you.

I am OK with the nanny-like normal mode for my wife but I am not OK with the car not shifting when I command it to in any mode. The whole reason I avoid sport mode is because I am not able to make it shift when I want it to. It hangs out at high rpm like a dumbass while I am trying to get it to upshift under closed throttle. I don't want to drive around with the engine screaming in a 35mph zone. Track mode is overkill for spirited street driving.

I don't use sport mode much, but I discovered it will upshift at lower revs, it just delays a bit to make sure you haven't just backed off the throttle for a bit of engine braking.

 

[Paddles]

Zig’s question reflects a very real driving situation that nearly all of us encounter on a daily basis and you did, in a roundabout way, answer.
Hypothetically though, would you care if you put it in track mode, hit the gas and nothing at all happened? The engine sits at idle, despite you pushing past 1/2 throttle. You take your foot off the gas after holding it there a quarter second and reapply throttle to see if it’ll do something this time and with more throttle, still nothing? Then all of a sudden the car makes a loud and hard thud, shuttering, and, narrowly avoiding stalling itself, starts driving?

Dang, is that really what your car is doing?
I guess I thought we were talking run of the mill hesitation but there's no way I could give my car half pedal without launching hard right away

 

[LouG]

I would use M more often if it did not have paddle shifters. Trying to shift while also turning the steering wheel is annoying. It is difficult to hit the paddles because they spin with the wheel. It would be far better if the shifter were on the stick where you hit it side to side to up and down shift. Even when using the manual mode the shifts are not as precise and predictable as they should be. they should be nearly instant and always the same time delay, not sometimes instant and sometimes .5 - 1.0 second delay.

Paddle shifters require different muscle memory especially if you've been driving a manual. It takes a while to get used to them. A manual shift mode on the shifter would be a good idea.

 

[young at heart]

Zig’s question reflects a very real driving situation that nearly all of us encounter on a daily basis and you did, in a roundabout way, answer.
Hypothetically though, would you care if you put it in track mode, hit the gas and nothing at all happened? The engine sits at idle, despite you pushing past 1/2 throttle. You take your foot off the gas after holding it there a quarter second and reapply throttle to see if it’ll do something this time and with more throttle, still nothing? Then all of a sudden the car makes a loud and hard thud, shuttering, and, narrowly avoiding stalling itself, starts driving?

Well certainly I’d mind, yes without a doubt.

But as I mentioned I’ve had nine of these things in the last few years: a 2020 GT (a great car, still have it), a combination of several ‘22-‘24 GTs and Mach 1s and now additionally two ‘24 Dark Horses (one manual, one automatic). While this doesn’t make me an expert, I’m compelled to tell you that every one was and is a slightly different version of perfect. Period. No lag or anything weird was ever in their vocabulary.

So. I feel safe in saying that either your car is broken and you need to take it in and get it fixed or easier yet, put it in track mode for a few days and drive it as it was intended to be driven. They have what, five drive modes? Track, Drag Strip, Mamby-Pamby, More Mamby-Pamby and Way Mamby-Pamby, IMO of course. Just because you can select any of these modes doesn’t mean that’s where the car is really meant to live.

Look, these are bad ass cars. Sure, you can theoretically operate the car any way you choose. You can also put your Lamborghini into Uber service. But that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea and should you so choose you can expect anything.

Why not try my suggestion and see what happens?

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Zig’s question reflects a very real driving situation that nearly all of us encounter on a daily basis and you did, in a roundabout way, answer.
Hypothetically though, would you care if you put it in track mode, hit the gas and nothing at all happened? The engine sits at idle, despite you pushing past 1/2 throttle. You take your foot off the gas after holding it there a quarter second and reapply throttle to see if it’ll do something this time and with more throttle, still nothing? Then all of a sudden the car makes a loud and hard thud, shuttering, and, narrowly avoiding stalling itself, starts driving?

I dont know if its maybe just perception or exageration, but what you are describing is 100% not normal.

 

[Awt2858]

I dont know if its maybe just perception or exageration, but what you are describing is 100% not normal.

Im heading to the dealership soon for something else so I’ll try bringing this up again. I’m going to first ask to take a tech for a drive to see if I or they can replicate it on a short drive. If no luck, I’m going to see if I can at least capture the situation visually with my go pro chin mount.
When I’ve had the dealer scan it before, there’s been nothing they could find. I’ve used the built-in “send feedback” feature the last few times it’s done that or the less violent version of that.

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