Why's Ford not allowing people to tune the S650 Mustang?

[Zig]

You know why. It is locked for a reason which you also know.

There’s that ‘you know why’ defense, one most complex to refute.

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[Zig]

You know why. It is locked for a reason which you also know.

But they let you modulate the climate control. Are they also unable to permit limited access to specific functions? Why can’t i make adjustments to identified variables, even limited to a range is the same as twisting a screw or setting a jet. When the gov vehicles don’t have the requirement neither should the civilian otherwise it would seem to fall into one of those categories we aren’t usually able to civilly discuss.

 

[Gregs24]

But they let you modulate the climate control. Are they also unable to permit limited access to specific functions? Why can’t i make adjustments to identified variables, even limited to a range is the same as twisting a screw or setting a jet. When the gov vehicles don’t have the requirement neither should the civilian otherwise it would seem to fall into one of those categories we aren’t usually able to civilly discuss.

Complete rubbish. You know why it is locked down.

 

[Gregs24]

There’s that ‘you know why’ defense, one most complex to refute.

If you haven't worked it out by now you never will!

 

[8LAKK8UNSHINE]

Welcome to last year

https://www.hotrod.com/news/evolution-performance-2024-mustang-record

Are you kidding me? That run was cracking 9s. Cracking 9s is done with about 740 whp. That's not even close to 1000 whp. I thought you'd atleast come back with the Lethal Performance car that runs over 800 whp.

 

[robvas]

Are you kidding me? That run was cracking 9s. Cracking 9s is done with about 740 whp. That's not even close to 1000 whp. I thought you'd atleast come back with the Lethal Performance car that runs over 800 whp.

That's the record holder

they're in the 8's now

how fast is SPE's car?

Lethal's car is the slowest one (it's a manual so of course it is)

 

[Puddinpop]

Don't buy one then.

Ford don't do the last of those and data can be controlled (better in Europe).

The others are a fine by me.

Many consider these uphill not downhill!

You're probably the only one on this site that consider any of those uphill. Robvas is right quality of cars has gone to shit. I've got more rattles in my 24 Mustang than I do in my 16 Camaro. It was the same way with my 23 Golf R before I got rid of it for the Mustang.

 

[Zig]

Complete rubbish. You know why it is locked down.

Oh the ‘safety’ cap reason? Same reason a safety is recommended with firearms, same reason medication has a childproof cap?

 

[Gregs24]

You're probably the only one on this site that consider any of those uphill. Robvas is right quality of cars has gone to shit. I've got more rattles in my 24 Mustang than I do in my 16 Camaro. It was the same way with my 23 Golf R before I got rid of it for the Mustang.

My 24 has no rattles at all, better than my 19.

 

[Puddinpop]

My 24 has no rattles at all, better than my 19.

You're one of the lucky ones then because there are quite a few on here that have them. I've had misaligned panels too that I had to readjust to my liking. Quality isn't there but I'm willing to overlook it for now because I want to dabble in the coyote platform for a bit.

 

[Q6543]

Mine also, it’s whisper quiet inside…

this thread is funny, you’re not gonna have a steering wheel soon… and you wonder why it’s locked down.

The future doesn’t need us controlling automobiles…. And threads like this make it even more apparent
Enjoy the time while it lasts.

cars need to flow like a network.

 

[agreywolfe]

Dodges are getting stolen by poorly encrypted systems allowing people to program fake keys in less than 2 minutes

Chevys are getting stolen by smashing a window and pulling a fucking fuse

Kias are being stolen with a screwdriver and USB stick

and yall are wondering why Ford is encrypting the ECU?

 

[Billycar11]

Dodges are getting stolen by poorly encrypted systems allowing people to program fake keys in less than 2 minutes

Chevys are getting stolen by smashing a window and pulling a fucking fuse

Kias are being stolen with a screwdriver and USB stick

and yall are wondering why Ford is encrypting the ECU?

tuning and stealing are 2 different things not really related.
15-23 mustangs are not as stolen as dodges and those mustangs have tuning
but really is it fords better security or the crowd that wants them is different maybe both.

 

[agreywolfe]

tuning and stealing are 2 different things not really related.
15-23 mustangs are not as stolen as doges and those mustangs have tuning
but really is it fords better security or the crowd that wants them is different maybe both.

in this case they are the same thing, remember the S650 is an FNV car, leaving the ECU unencrypted exposes a lot of potential weaknesses that can be exploited. Fords not trying to lock down tuning, theyre trying to secure your data to keep the cars from being stolen/exploited because that would cost them millions in class actions, the tuning being locked is just a byproduct the people are putting way too much emphasis on.

 

[Neggytive]

the reality is that we no longer can buy an automobile and do with it what we want.

It started with the Government and catalytic converters and the addition of all sorts of mandated equipment.

Ask The Diesel Brothers what happens when you play with a tune. ($850,000 fine)

Ask the shop that did the cars on "Pimp My Ride" what happens when you remove an airbag to install a video screen. ($16,000 fine)

Then the manufacturers took a page from Apple, Microsoft, Dell and others

Sure you may buy a collection of parts that you own, but the operating system is theirs and they are not letting you modify it or even look at it. You are buying a software license and they dictate the terms.

Even in "right to repair " states, the manufacturers are charging shops huge money to get access to software and the ability to program modules to the cars after they have been replaced.

Cripes FCA, Nissan and other manufacturers make me verify my identity yearly in order to use my Snap On scan tool on their products to look at anything other than OBD2 data, and that verification costs me per manufacturer

Oh and as of my last updates I still can not do anything more than read codes in the Mustang. Unlike other cars I can't configure anything like put the windows down by holding a button on the remote or turning the seatbelt warning off

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