Re-learning TPMS after changing tire position

[Honor]

Ford has automatic relearn. You do not need a tool. Who ever told you otherwise is incorrect.

Not only will it relearn tire position, but it will also auto relearn if you swap tires with the same TPM sensors (like from another mustang or Ford).

Thak you for reply.
Accordingly your opnion, musang can recognize each TPMS of new postion.
you mean that, for example, when A TPMS sensor is moved from FR to RR and B TPMS sensor is moved from RR to FR, mustang can recognize new TPMS position -A TPMS seonor at RR, B TMPS sensor at FR. And each value of A and B senosr can be shown on the dashboard screen.

Regarding this issue, one of Korean mustang user made some thread. On the thread, he said that after tire rotation, he found low pressure of FR tire on dashboard screen, but he found that RL tire was low pressure at tire shop.

Anyway to figure out this issue, TPMS scanner is needed, so I will buy it. I will post it when I get the some result.

Thank you.

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[Starship Enterprise]

Ford has automatic relearn. You do not need a tool. Who ever told you otherwise is incorrect.

Not only will it relearn tire position, but it will also auto relearn if you swap tires with the same TPM sensors (like from another mustang or Ford).

Dammit if you ain’t right…I went down yet another rabbit hole, and I can’t get any definitive answers including my owners manual, which is borderline useless.

Then I come across this 7G thread where others like you report, just drive and it learns.

https://www.mustang7g.com/forums/threads/tpms-replacement.160207/

I stand corrected, and I will see myself out….

If anyone needs me, I’ll be in the corner with a dunce cap on….

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Thak you for reply.
Accordingly your opnion, musang can recognize each TPMS of new postion.
you mean that, for example, when A TPMS sensor is moved from FR to RR and B TPMS sensor is moved from RR to FR, mustang can recognize new TPMS position -A TPMS seonor at RR, B TMPS sensor at FR. And each value of A and B senosr can be shown on the dashboard screen.

Regarding this issue, one of Korean mustang user made some thread. On the thread, he said that after tire rotation, he found low pressure of FR tire on dashboard screen, but he found that RL tire was low pressure at tire shop.

Anyway to figure out this issue, TPMS scanner is needed, so I will buy it. I will post it when I get the some result.

Thank you.

It's not my opinion. It is fact. Ford has used auto relearn for a few years now. Just rotate your tires and drive. No need to buy a tool. I know because my car did it.

See the link posted above. Or do a search on the forum if you don't believe me.

 

[smurfslayer]

OK I’m confused as hell. Initial web search told me you need a relearn tool…..then I dove deeper after your comment, and Every web search shows a different procedure, from using a relearn tool…to overinflate and drive…..to let air out the tires….. to a hidden button under the steering wheel…….to press the start button 6 times.

What the hell is it???

Does it learn by itself, or is there a procedure you have to do?

I swear…… Googling for answers is goddamn useless sometimes….ummm…most times. I hate giving bad info, and I was sure you needed a relearn tool. Guess I was wrong…..

THIS is why, like Jeremy Clarkson, AI is most often wrong.
AI uses the internet as a source of information. Your search only turns up what the interface WANTS you to see, not necessarily scholarly screeds related to the question you asked. The programming decides what to present.

 

[Starship Enterprise]

So true…AI is…..garbage in, garbage out.

There is currently a guy suing AI because it convinced him he had discovered a new formula for pi. AI was yanking his chain like a 12 year old troll.

 

[Skye]

In the S650, learning what wheel is attached to the vehicle and where that wheel is should happen automatically, often after a short drive.

I'm aware of relearning and resetting.

Re-learning:

The last few years, Ford TPMS units are capable of automatically learning and re-learning 1) the wheels attached to the vehicle and 2) which corner they are attached. When installing a new set of rims on my 2022, I drove less than a mile when everything synched up. No further action required.

Ford continues to provide a re-learn tool, to illuminate a single wheel position at a time during a manual learn process, but it shouldn't be necessary now.

The specialized tools the dealer and tire shops use can attempt to activate each wheel sensor, which can be helpful in t-shooting; it can confirm the TPMS wheel sensor is transmitting and record the serial number of its transmitter.

Re-setting:

Often involves a physical reset button, under the steering wheel, or, a feature in the screen menus.

The reset process often involves older cars. Resetting has two functions: 1) zeroing out the system, in an attempt to re-learn all wheels and 2) resetting where each wheel is, like after a tire rotation. "Go find the wheels again."'; that's what your asking for.

Problems can occur, often with the following:

- Several sets of Ford tires nearby or several nearby tires on the same frequency. If attempting to learn the wheels, try a short drive away from other vehicles and wheels

- Sensors have been bought from eBay, discount store, etc. While they claim to be compatible, they aren't. Or they are selling old stock, with weak or dead batteries. Counterfeits are possible

- The new set of sensors operates on the wrong frequency. While the 6G uses 315 MHz for TPMS, the 7G uses 433 MHz (US, South Korea and EU). Other Ford vehicles, like dually trucks, might use multiple frequencies, as the tires are close to one another

The TPMS units have a few key bits:

- Transmitter. Sends information to the Remote Transceiver Module (this module also receives data from the key fob), about once every 30 secs to a minute

- Air Pressure Sensor.

- Accelerometer. Determines the wheel is spinning and turns on the sensor

- Battery. Powers the sensor. Good for five to seven years, minimum. Literally, looks like a watch battery

 

[Yamazuki]

In the S650, learning what wheel is attached to the vehicle and where that wheel is should happen automatically, often after a short drive.

I'm aware of relearning and resetting.

Re-learning:

The last few years, Ford TPMS units are capable of automatically learning and re-learning 1) the wheels attached to the vehicle and 2) which corner they are attached. When installing a new set of rims on my 2022, I drove less than a mile when everything synched up. No further action required.

Ford continues to provide a re-learn tool, to illuminate a single wheel position at a time during a manual learn process, but it shouldn't be necessary now.

The specialized tools the dealer and tire shops use can attempt to activate each wheel sensor, which can be helpful in t-shooting; it can confirm the TPMS wheel sensor is transmitting and record the serial number of its transmitter.

Re-setting:

Often involves a physical reset button, under the steering wheel, or, a feature in the screen menus.

The reset process often involves older cars. Resetting has two functions: 1) zeroing out the system, in an attempt to re-learn all wheels and 2) resetting where each wheel is, like after a tire rotation. "Go find the wheels again."'; that's what your asking for.

Problems can occur, often with the following:

- Several sets of Ford tires nearby or several nearby tires on the same frequency. If attempting to learn the wheels, try a short drive away from other vehicles and wheels

- Sensors have been bought from eBay, discount store, etc. While they claim to be compatible, they aren't. Or they are selling old stock, with weak or dead batteries. Counterfeits are possible

- The new set of sensors operates on the wrong frequency. While the 6G uses 315 MHz for TPMS, the 7G uses 433 MHz (US, South Korea and EU). Other Ford vehicles, like dually trucks, might use multiple frequencies, as the tires are close to one another

The TPMS units have a few key bits:

- Transmitter. Sends information to the Remote Transceiver Module (this module also receives data from the key fob), about once every 30 secs to a minute

- Air Pressure Sensor.

- Accelerometer. Determines the wheel is spinning and turns on the sensor

- Battery. Powers the sensor. Good for five to seven years, minimum. Literally, looks like a watch battery

Lots of good information there!!

Some auto parts stores are selling universal TPMS sensors as well.
My dad ran into this when his 08 SuperDuty had the TPMS sensors go bad.
Batteries finally died probably.
He bought 4, brand new in the box TPMS Sensors from the local auto parts store.
They were Standard Ignition brand, if I recall correctly, and considerably cheaper than the Ford ones!
He had the local repair shop put them in when they put his new tires on, but could never get the tire pressure light in the dash to go off. The local guys didn't have a clue, they'd rather wrench on a Chevy. (Fords are junk, that's why we only let Chevys in the repair shop! Yeah, you go girl!)
We tried several of the re-learn tools and 12 step programs where you stand on one foot, jump up and down a few times, and stuff is supposed to automagically fix itself.
None of it worked.
It wasn't until after spending quite a lot of time scouring the internet for whatever information I could find regarding TPMS systems that we figured out these things had to be told how to talk to the Ford computer. Well Duh! I thought they were UNIVERSAL and already knew that shit...? Nope!

Sooo, long story short, I ended up buying a REAL TPMS Programming tool.
And let me tell ya, she's pretty shnifty!
It'll take a blank TPMS sensor and program it for just about any car in the world (The car still has to learn it, but this thing helps with that as well!), it'll clone an existing tpms sensor and program that data to a new sensor so the car doesn't even know the sensor was changed, and a whole bunch of other stuff that I, thankfully, haven't needed to use!

The whole TPMS thing is almost like some kind of magic fairy dust.
It's great when it's there and it works like it's supposed to, but you're gonna get a whole lot of people looking at you like a whitetail staring at a set of high beams when you start asking questions about how things actually work!

 

[Sofa King]

Lots of good information there!!

Some auto parts stores are selling universal TPMS sensors as well.
My dad ran into this when his 08 SuperDuty had the TPMS sensors go bad.
Batteries finally died probably.
He bought 4, brand new in the box TPMS Sensors from the local auto parts store.
They were Standard Ignition brand, if I recall correctly, and considerably cheaper than the Ford ones!
He had the local repair shop put them in when they put his new tires on, but could never get the tire pressure light in the dash to go off. The local guys didn't have a clue, they'd rather wrench on a Chevy. (Fords are junk, that's why we only let Chevys in the repair shop! Yeah, you go girl!)
We tried several of the re-learn tools and 12 step programs where you stand on one foot, jump up and down a few times, and stuff is supposed to automagically fix itself.
None of it worked.
It wasn't until after spending quite a lot of time scouring the internet for whatever information I could find regarding TPMS systems that we figured out these things had to be told how to talk to the Ford computer. Well Duh! I thought they were UNIVERSAL and already knew that shit...? Nope!

Sooo, long story short, I ended up buying a REAL TPMS Programming tool.
And let me tell ya, she's pretty shnifty!
It'll take a blank TPMS sensor and program it for just about any car in the world (The car still has to learn it, but this thing helps with that as well!), it'll clone an existing tpms sensor and program that data to a new sensor so the car doesn't even know the sensor was changed, and a whole bunch of other stuff that I, thankfully, haven't needed to use!

The whole TPMS thing is almost like some kind of magic fairy dust.
It's great when it's there and it works like it's supposed to, but you're gonna get a whole lot of people looking at you like a whitetail staring at a set of high beams when you start asking questions about how things actually work!

Haha, yeah the universal ones can be cloned to the original sensor id... but as you discovered, this requires a good tool.

Years ago, we got aftermarket wheels/tires at Discount tire for my daughter's car. They used universal tpms and cloned the old ones. No learning or programming needed. I put snow tires on the original wheels and purchased new factory tpms sensors. These however needed to be learned. As it was an older car this required a good tool (which I bought). The procedure required the tool to scan the id's and then plug in the OBD2 connector to program the car to those id's.

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