Rant after driving a M2 and M3

[Dragster]

Why did you choose 2020? Why not pick 2018? Lol

GT mustang was $36k and Corvette was $55k. If you choose 2018, mustang hasn't gone up as much as Corvette.

Really, you can't think of anything that happened in 2020 and beyond that would've caused car prices to rise? Most of the increased car costs have happened post Covid, hence why I chose 2020, plus that numbers came from an article looking at car costs versus inflation since 2020.

By the way, both the Corvette and Mustang GT have increased the same amount post 2018--it's 26%. The difference is the Mustang got new sheet metal, dashboard, and steering wheel, and the Corvette got an entirely new car that is a massive step up in performance and interior quality. I'd say that makes a difference.

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[Mustang1987]

Really, you can't think of anything that happened in 2020 and beyond that would've caused car prices to rise? Most of the increased car costs have happened post Covid, hence why I chose 2020, plus that numbers came from an article looking at car costs versus inflation since 2020.

By the way, both the Corvette and Mustang GT have increased the same amount post 2018--it's 26%. The difference is the Mustang got new sheet metal, dashboard, and steering wheel, and the Corvette got an entirely new car that is a massive step up in performance and interior quality. I'd say that makes a difference.

The Corvette didn't get anything new at all since 2020. C8 came out in 2019. So nothing at all. And it rose more percentage wise than a new model mustang that came out after covid.

 

[Polo08816]

The Corvette didn't get anything new at all since 2020. C8 came out in 2019. So nothing at all. And it rose more percentage wise than a new model mustang that came out after covid.

How did the Corvette increase in price than the Mustang if a DH Premium with Recaros and the Handling package now has a higher market price than a C8 2LT Z51? For your statement to be true, the Corvette would have needed to have been less expensive than the Mustang all along.

 

[Mustang1987]

How did the Corvette increase in price than the Mustang if a DH Premium with Recaros and the Handling package now has a higher market price than a C8 2LT Z51? For your statement to be true, the Corvette would have needed to have been less expensive than the Mustang all along.

You can't be serious. You compare base to base. If you're comparing top of the line to base, you could also say a civic is more expensive than a mustang.

 

[Dragster]

The Corvette didn't get anything new at all since 2020. C8 came out in 2019. So nothing at all. And it rose more percentage wise than a new model mustang that came out after covid.

C8 production didn't begin until 2020, so yes, since 2020 the Corvette has been an entirely new car for the money versus new sheet metal, steering wheel, and dashboard. That's the same whether you want to go back to 2018 or 2020. It doesn't matter. Both cars have increased in price, but since Covid, the Mustang has increased more--27% to 16%. And as I said, I used 2020 because most of the inflated costs in the auto industry are Covid related (inflation, etc). If you think the S650 is a great deal for the money, great, but the market has spoken, and it's simpy not selling well. Much of that is due to the inflated cost of the car.

 

[roadpilot]

Not really. Maybe another 100hp for double the cost

Yes, really.

 

[roadpilot]

The point was that for $75k, most buyers are going to prefer a C8 configuration over a DH configuration. The sales numbers reinforce this.

Nope. And I already explained, in great detail, the reason the C8 is selling better.

 

[Mustang1987]

C8 production didn't begin until 2020, so yes, since 2020 the Corvette has been an entirely new car for the money versus new sheet metal, steering wheel, and dashboard. That's the same whether you want to go back to 2018 or 2020. It doesn't matter. Both cars have increased in price, but since Covid, the Mustang has increased more--27% to 16%. And as I said, I used 2020 because most of the inflated costs in the auto industry are Covid related (inflation, etc). If you think the S650 is a great deal for the money, great, but the market has spoken, and it's simpy not selling well. Much of that is due to the inflated cost of the car.

The c8 started production before covid. And the price was announced in 2019.

So no, same car.

 

[Dragster]

The c8 started production before covid. And the price was announced in 2019.

So no, same car.

Incorrect. C8 production started in February of 2020. Covid was already a thing. Regardless, I'm not sure why you're stuck on whether or not the C8 is new and whatnot. That's not the argument. The argument is that the Mustang has had insane price increases in the last couple years. That's undeniable, and the fact that it has gone up well beyond inflation and the overall car market is also undeniable. The Corvette is also brought up in this argument, which is why I highlighted that it has increased at the same rate as the overall car market since 2020, which is when C8 actually started hitting the streets. You can get caught up in whatever else, but that's the argument at hand.

A 2025 Dark Horse with nothing else other than the handling pack and Recaros is a 78K car now. That's legitimately M3 territory, let alone the M2. It's also 1LT Corvette Z51 territory. Personally, I think both of those are better overall cars than the Dark Horse, and that's the crux of the argument--that the last couple of years of price hikes have put the Mustang in competition with cars that it was never intended to compete with.

 

[Mustang1987]

Incorrect. C8 production started in February of 2020. Covid was already a thing. Regardless, I'm not sure why you're stuck on whether or not the C8 is new and whatnot. That's not the argument. The argument is that the Mustang has had insane price increases in the last couple years. That's undeniable, and the fact that it has gone up well beyond inflation and the overall car market is also undeniable. The Corvette is also brought up in this argument, which is why I highlighted that it has increased at the same rate as the overall car market since 2020, which is when C8 actually started hitting the streets. You can get caught up in whatever else, but that's the argument at hand.

A 2025 Dark Horse with nothing else other than the handling pack and Recaros is a 78K car now. That's legitimately M3 territory, let alone the M2. It's also 1LT Corvette Z51 territory. Personally, I think both of those are better overall cars than the Dark Horse, and that's the crux of the argument--that the last couple of years of price hikes have put the Mustang in competition with cars that it was never intended to compete with.

Covid was not a thing. Lockdowns didn't even happen until the end of March 2020.

Makes a difference because one is a new model that was designed and came out after covid. The c8 was before covid. Wait until the c9 comes out and see how much that costs lol

 

[Dragster]

Covid was not a thing. Lockdowns didn't even happen until the end of March 2020.

Makes a difference because one is a new model that was designed and came out after covid. The c8 was before covid. Wait until the c9 comes out and see how much that costs lol

Well, considering the C8 was an entirely new car--regardless of when it went on sale or was designed--and it cost 5% more than the previous year's car, I'd wager it would be a similar increase over the C8. For comparison sake, the S650 GT was a 12% increase over the 2023 for new sheet metal, steering wheel, and dashboard.

Again, I'm not sure what you're going on about. Are you going to address the Mustang price increases, which is what the entire discussion is about?

 

[roadpilot]

Again, I'm not sure what you're going on about. Are you going to address the Mustang price increases, which is what the entire discussion is about?

Apparently not. Around here, they appear to be for people who don't even OWN an S650 to show up and badmouth it. Meh.

 

[Dragster]

Apparently not. Around here, they appear to be for people who don't even OWN an S650 to show up and badmouth it. Meh.

As I told you in a different thread, I don't have a problem with the car, only the current price. I don't think it's a wise business decision to raise prices this much on a car that is barely outselling the outgoing car. Through the first 6 months of this year, Mustang sales are up 7% over last year. For reference, the last time the Mustang was "all-new," it resulted in a 42% increase in sales year over year. That's simply not good for the S650, and I think the current price plays a significant role in that.

Again, everyone on this forum is here becuase they have a certain passion for Mustangs (I've owned multiple). You're under no obligation to like what anyone on here has to say.

 

[Mustang1987]

Well, considering the C8 was an entirely new car--regardless of when it went on sale or was designed--and it cost 5% more than the previous year's car, I'd wager it would be a similar increase over the C8. For comparison sake, the S650 GT was a 12% increase over the 2023 for new sheet metal, steering wheel, and dashboard.

Again, I'm not sure what you're going on about. Are you going to address the Mustang price increases, which is what the entire discussion is about?

I'm not going on about anything, you're the one going on about the price when the Corvette and Mustang have gone up the same percentage since before covid lmao

Inflation sucks.

 

[OppoLock]

If the M2 didn't look busted I'd probably be in one by now. Absurd to think it's the bargain of the two these days.

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