Any truth to this 2027 BOSS rumor?

[AZ_Ryan]

Nobody's hating. Just the facts

Performance numbers are the same. Basically the same engine. Same transmissions. Front and rear ends got refreshed.

They added stuff like screens but they're just making a car that's already pricing itself out of its target market even more expensive.

It's not a new platform of course, but at least in 2018 they got new engines (direct injection) and new transmissions (10 speed vs 6)

Do you own a S650?

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[robvas]

Do you own a S650?

Nope.

But what does that have to do with anything?

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Nope.

But what does that have to do with anything?

Lol. It explains a lot.

 

[robvas]

Lol. It explains a lot.

Explains how the car isn't any faster than the previous and no real upgrades?

The 2018 was a big improvement over the 15-17. That didn't happen with the S650. What car someone owns or doesn't own doesn't change the facts.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Explains how the car isn't any faster than the previous and no real upgrades?

The 2018 was a big improvement over the 15-17. That didn't happen with the S650. What car someone owns or doesn't own doesn't change the facts.

They aren't facts. Those are your biased opinions. If you actualy owned one you would know.

 

[robvas]

They aren't facts. Those are your biased opinions. If you actualy owned one you would know.

So if I owned one, they would be faster or have different transmissions or?

 

[AZ_Ryan]

So if I owned one, they would be faster or have different transmissions or?

Your just going in circles and changing the argument. If you only want to measure differences by top speed and transmission then thats your bias. Honestly this is just a tired argument from 3 years ago in the 6G forum. Again, If you owned one you would understand. I got nothing else for you.

 

[robvas]

Your just going in circles and changing the argument. If you only want to measure differences by top speed and transmission then thats your bias. Honestly this is just a tired argument from 3 years ago in the 6G forum. Again, If you owned one you would understand. I got nothing else for you.

You already said stuff like "refinement". Meaningless.

I'm not changing my argument. The very first thing I said was there wasn't any performance improvement over the previous models for the DH, SC, and GT. Not sure why you're taking it personally.

 

[mmff88gt]

I think a 9000rpm Coyote may be possible, it's just a 1000 or 1400 rpm more that some Coyotes are run to now.
It probably wouldn't have a 5year/150,000km warranty.

I'm sure a Coyote could be built to handle 9000rpm, but would Ford want to spend the time and money to develop all the accessories that could go with that for a limited production vehicle? My understanding is that it was the accessories that set the redline for the Taurus SHO V-6 engine by Yamaha, not the engine itself which was a screamer

 

[LouG]

I'm sure a Coyote could be built to handle 9000rpm, but would Ford want to spend the time and money to develop all the accessories that could go with that for a limited production vehicle? My understanding is that it was the accessories that set the redline for the Taurus SHO V-6 engine by Yamaha, not the engine itself which was a screamer

Good point. And it'll never compete with the torque curve of an SC of similar power.
Still be fun though. I wonder what a crossplane crank V8 sounds like at 9k?

 

[LouG]

Explains how the car isn't any faster than the previous and no real upgrades?

The 2018 was a big improvement over the 15-17. That didn't happen with the S650. What car someone owns or doesn't own doesn't change the facts.

Facts are fine, but a car that makes you lust after it is not quantifiable, but still real.
I've said before I didn't like the interior or exterior of the S550, but had to have the 650.

 

[Epiphany]

I'm sure a Coyote could be built to handle 9000rpm, but would Ford want to spend the time and money to develop all the accessories that could go with that for a limited production vehicle? My understanding is that it was the accessories that set the redline for the Taurus SHO V-6 engine by Yamaha, not the engine itself which was a screamer

Ford already tests/tweaks/develops/manufactures accessories with a given engine package anyway. And we all win from that development. But you're right, if the scale in terms of sales for this 5.4 package is low, the cost only goes up. How high will be too high?

The DH SC vs the GT500 argument...The SC is simply a better version in terms of performance potential. I have a 500 and have modded it quite a bit. It is a beast. The SC takes the best of the GT500 and upgrades it. DCT improvements (according to Carl Widmann) to make it more robust, including new lines that don't leak (about time!), suspension tweaks that offer better geometry, adjustability, faster reacting dampers, brake improvements, aero improvements and not just for downforce but for management through, under, and over the car. Plenty of improvements in other areas as well.

There are things on the DH SC I'm glad my 500 doesn't have though. The air pumps that have to inject air post-combustion chamber to improve emissions, and more restrictive cats (according to Carl again) to do the same add heat and restriction where you don't want it. Carl said those changes were necessary for 2026 emissions standards and that the DH SC's emissions were half that of the GT500. Crazy, I downloaded the respective files from CARB's website and no shit, emissions in almost every measured category has been reduced by about 50% on the DH SC. A win if that makes you sleep better at night but I prefer the increased carbon footprint in this regard.

While the price of the DH SC turns me off, I absolutely love the car and what the engineers have done with it.

 

[Bear376]

I do not pretend to know what will happen in the future, but I am very confident that the Coyote will be around for the next few years. What sub-models are trotted out is up to the PR people and that can be a cesspool of its own. The big problem is that it does not matter to most of the under 40 crowd because they can’t afford the insurance and cannot work on the cars. The future is in contracts where everything is automated and you specify your people and cargo needs ant is sent over. You never have to drive

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