Who’s got the spiciest tune?

[Junkyard Dog]

I have the Banks Pedal Monster. I won't fill the thread up with theory of operation, but the reason I use it vs asking my tuner to optimize the tune for me (in all the drive settings on the car) is because my throttle response needs and wants are whimsical at times and I like to alter the throttle curves and responses on the Banks as part of just enjoying the particular drive I am undergoing. If you would like theory on what it does DM me and we can talk at length.
Tuner completely would have adjusted my settings had I requested... I just never did.

Both of the tuners I've used made EXCELLENT tunes after finally revision and I'd recommend either all day long. I just like the extra spice of the throttle controller.

All that being said OP, you mentioned doing headers (and I'm assuming other mods down the road). Tuning will be essential to really liven up the car for you with the parts you are doing and I'd recommend talking to a tuner about E85 tune if you can get it in your area.

I have not tried ZXMustang's tune but he strikes me as knowledgeable and I'm betting does a fine job. I've seen some of his video's and wouldn't have reservations trying him out, especially on a platform as robust as the Coyote.

I haven't yet decided what direction to go, but regardless, I really do not want the tuner messing with the Track Mode throttle and transmission settings, because I like to track my car. I do not want to lose the throttle control that this car exhibits in turns, which mainly have to do with how they programmed the part throttle sensitivity, moving the throttle less at partial settings than in the other modes.

I really wanted a Whipple, then I wanted a Hellion twin turbo kit, then I was back to the Whipple, now still wanting a Hellion twin turbo kit, but will probably do neither because either one will probably result in me losing the ability to do 30 minute track sessions.

Then thought about maybe one of the spiffy expensive intakes (like the Cobra Jet, or the more expensive aftermarket models that can pick up another 25-30 horsepower in the rpm range I am using during acceleration on the track, but at what cost? Thousands!) and headers and E85 and maybe cams . . . mostly because I saw Steeda did 576 to the wheels . . . STD or SAE?

But I am still under warranty and do not want to throw away the warranty so will probably do nothing but sticky tires and camber settings for a long while.

And keep reading what others are doing.

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[Ducatti20]

I haven't yet decided what direction to go, but regardless, I really do not want the tuner messing with the Track Mode throttle and transmission settings, because I like to track my car. I do not want to lose the throttle control that this car exhibits in turns, which mainly have to do with how they programmed the part throttle sensitivity, moving the throttle less at partial settings than in the other modes.

I really wanted a Whipple, then I wanted a Hellion twin turbo kit, then I was back to the Whipple, now still wanting a Hellion twin turbo kit, but will probably do neither because either one will probably result in me losing the ability to do 30 minute track sessions.

Then thought about maybe one of the spiffy expensive intakes (like the Cobra Jet, or the more expensive aftermarket models that can pick up another 25-30 horsepower in the rpm range I am using during acceleration on the track, but at what cost? Thousands!) and headers and E85 and maybe cams . . . mostly because I saw Steeda did 576 to the wheels . . . STD or SAE?

But I am still under warranty and do not want to throw away the warranty so will probably do nothing but sticky tires and camber settings for a long while.

And keep reading what others are doing.

All parts I have considered as well. Was SO close to putting a Whipple in the cart last week but ultimately have elected to not go FI until I live somewhere with no emissions and less daily driving rush hour (or the car gets placed in play toy status vs daily driver). I'd want to delete cats and do other mods that are not conducive to my daily driving. Been down the chasing power road before and I ALWAYS go to far once I really start lol.
I'm betting a tuner can setup the tune to not affect track mode and you can always flash to stock for your track sessions. Throttle controllers are also invisible to the cars computer so they are warranty friendly....easily disabled (Banks is 100% phone interface.)

 

[Junkyard Dog]

until I live somewhere with no emissions . . . I'd want to delete cats and do other mods that are not conducive to my daily driving.

Yeah, another issue.

At least with naturally aspirated modifications I could pass emissions (HO Green cats)

 

[sloww5ohh]

Appreciate that. Im not a sponsor on here so I cannot comment on tuning from a business prospective. The mods were kind enough to let me still be here as an enthusiast and continue to share info.

In regards to pedal demand, as I said there are tables for every mode that you can change in the tune and I do indeed fix what I think are some silly decisions Ford made with the pedal demand for your normal, sport, mud(track) and sand(drag) modes. It makes a world of difference giving normal a bit more pedal than the 1:1 it is currently, and pumping up sport. But track and even moreso drag pedal demands are quite watered down and really need to be pumped up in the middle of the pedal travel.

It turns what feels like a lazy car into a big block lol.

I plan to try out your tunes. I find the throttle is so laggy specifically in track mode with the manual…. Way laggier than sport

 

[ZXMustang]

I plan to try out your tunes. I find the throttle is so laggy specifically in track mode with the manual…. Way laggier than sport

This is your track mode pedal map. Pretty weak. Needs to be beefed up in the low/mid range to get that car moving under part throttle.

Compared to sport.

 

[Aggie1999]

Ok, dumb question time, but im asking anyway. Plus I'm sure there are levels to this, but does getting an aftermarket tune void our warranty? I can't see how it doesn't, but still thought I'd ask.

 

[ZXMustang]

Ok, dumb question time, but im asking anyway. Plus I'm sure there are levels to this, but does getting an aftermarket tune void our warranty? I can't see how it doesn't, but still thought I'd ask.

Depends on the dealer. It should yes, but a lot of service departments are mod friendly. My local ford shop does whipples and other crazy builds on brand new cars and sells them with ford and dealer backed warranties. Just have to call and ask. Plus you can always flash back to stock as long as you dont have mods you cant remove easily to take it in. Like injectors which need special data in the tune. You'd have to remove them and put the stock injectors back in before you flashed back to stock. But its doable. Ive tuned close to 245 s650s now since july and never heard of anyone being denied warranty and I know several of my people that have been in for work.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

This is your track mode pedal map. Pretty weak. Needs to be beefed up in the low/mid range to get that car moving under part throttle.

Compared to sport.

Which explains why on a race track you should be in Track Mode.

Pushing hard on the brakes prior to entering the turn, off the brakes, turn the wheel, roll gently onto the throttle, hopefully late turn in and late apex, and as you pass the apex and begin unwinding the steering, you are rolling harder onto the throttle.

The goal is to be on the throttle as early as possible, as hard as possible, but without turning sideways and going off the track backwards and into a wall.

As the rear begins to lose grip however, you will need to adjust your throttle input.

There are two issues the Track Mode pedal map addresses. The first is not losing grip due to not having aggressive throttle mapping at part throttle, e.g. in Sport Mode. The second is being able to better adjust the throttle without having to lift completely should the car begin losing grip. Just keep the pedal right where you need it with small adjustments, maximum throttle for the grip available.

If you look at half throttle (pedal position 50%) for Track and Sport on the maps ZX Mustang posted, you see the difference immediately. Track is at less than 40% throttle opening (like high 30s). Sport has whacked that throttle open to over 60%. You can see why that sudden throttle opening might be less than desirable when at maximum cornering grip trying to get a high exit speed off a turn and onto a long straight away.

Also that range at partial throttle means you can make tiny little adjustments to the throttle with larger pedal inputs, whereas Sport means bigger, sudden adjustments even with less movement of the throttle.

(ZXMustang already knows all this - the post is not addressing him. I just quoted his post because he put up those maps on which I am commenting - and he is the only member to ever post the pedal maps for us, so thank you)

 

[robvas]

never heard of anyone being denied warranty and I know several of my people that have been in for work.

What kind of stuff are they going in for?

 

[sloww5ohh]

This is your track mode pedal map. Pretty weak. Needs to be beefed up in the low/mid range to get that car moving under part throttle.

Compared to sport.

And your able to turn that right up?!

 

[ZXMustang]

And your able to turn that right up?!

Yes and most folks love it. Some don’t and some want it to just be 1:1.

 

[sloww5ohh]

Yes and most folks love it. Some don’t and some want it to just be 1:1.

Wouldn’t sport mode and track be identical throttle wise and mode wise then? Or you turn up both far more than stock?

 

[ZXMustang]

Wouldn’t sport mode and track be identical throttle wise and mode wise then? Or you turn up both far more than stock?

So depends. But for me, I believe that Ford has it right but at a lower level than it should be. I like to maintain their shape of a lot of the tables I change, but scale them up accordingly. Most cases the Ford shape/theory is the best. They spend the cash and did the R&D, so why try to reinvent their wheel? But again, it can be scaled up exponentially to make use of better fuels, lower density altitude and customer demand. Ford calibrates these cars for anyone of any size, shape, ability in any altitude with any fuel octane to be able to get repeatable performance. That means the calibration has to be one size fits all and that makes it severely generic.

Back to the pedal demand, you have to be cognizant of the scale of the throttle travel as well. The break points arent 1:1 and that can skew results if you treat them as they are. You can rescale the scale of travel, but then the pedal to tq demand table that services all the pedal demand tables will not make sense. Then that cascades to other parts of the tune. So again, this is why its best to just scale up but maintain Fords theoretical shapes and intentions. Its not the most aggressive way to tune, but its very deliberate and helps maintain drivability but takes advantage of the monumental amount of performance thats "left on the table".

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