Simple speaker replacement without amp change for b&o system

[Honor]

For more clear voice and tight mid. base, I would like to replace all speakers with after market speakers such as focal, rainbow, sony or etc., however I wanna keep using b&o oem amp to save my money.
In other words, only simple speaker replacement is being planned.
For first step, I replcaed oem subwoofer with PIONEER product.
And for second step, I orered Infinity speaker to replace center speaker.

So how about this plan? Is it available? Please give me your good opinion.

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[S650sunshine]

For more clear voice and tight mid. base, I would like to replace all speakers with after market speakers such as focal, rainbow, sony or etc., however I wanna keep using b&o oem amp to save my money.
In other words, only simple speaker replacement is being planned.
For first step, I replcaed oem subwoofer with PIONEER product.
And for second step, I orered Infinity speaker to replace center speaker.

So how about this plan? Is it available? Please give me your good opinion.

Do you put passengers on the back seats? If not i would pull down the rear seats then put a JBL 110 or Club 120 in the trunk. I wouldn’t mess with the car’s subwoofer, saves me time and effort.

 

[Fruitstang]

Speaker replacement is nonsense, you need to replace the factory amp with one that has a DSP and delivers corrected sound signals to each speaker.
The sub is the only speaker that is really worth being replaced.

 

[rugedraw]

I did this in my truck with the B&O system, and I did notice an improvement in sound quality. I can now hear my rear speakers which I was not able to before since the B&O systems are tuned to be front-stage biased. The speakers it brings are not B&O branded.....they are FoMoCo and imo, they are garbage.

What I would recommend is you find replacement speakers that have a low wattage requirement because the factory B&O DSP does not make enough power to drive speakers that demand a lot of juice.

 

[98jfuentes]

i did a write up on replacing all the speakers. You 110% need an amp if you want to notice any difference at all.

 

[Fruitstang]

Hearing more from the rear speakers has nothing to do with sound quality at all, it's just preference.
The original amp has a DSP included which unfortunately we cannot program individually.
An aftermarket amp with DSP is used to indidually be set up.
It is the exact same thing you do with any mid or even entry level home cinema amp/receiver.
They come with a microphone which you place at different locations in your room and the software of the receiver does the magic.
If you then install completely different speakers in that room, chances are very high that it sounds completely off, because every speaker sounds different.
Frequencies which had been more amplified for the original speakers may sound way to loud with the new speakers because they are louder in that range by default for example.

The speakers in our Stangs, B&O or standard, sound crap because of the bad DSP setup.
With a proper aftermarket amp and DSP, they will be tuned to a neutral frequency response which is what high end hifi systems typically try to achieve.
From that clear and fine sounding starting point you or your hifi shop can tune to whatever characteristics you want to listen to music, like focus on boom, on voices, on percussion instruments or what have you.
Oh, and btw, you then can also decide how loud each and every single speaker shall be ...

Long story short: the original speakers are capable of much more than you can imagine.
Shit in = shit out is the rule. Best speakers are nothing when the source signal is crap.

It's like adding a compressor to your engine and still putting lowest octane fuel in the tank.
Yeah, you'll hear the compressor whine which makes you think you're the king of the strip now, but in reality you are not.

 

[Honor]

Do you put passengers on the back seats? If not i would pull down the rear seats then put a JBL 110 or Club 120 in the trunk. I wouldn’t mess with the car’s subwoofer, saves me time and effort.

Do you put passengers on the back seats? If not i would pull down the rear seats then put a JBL 110 or Club 120 in the trunk. I wouldn’t mess with the car’s subwoofer, saves me time and effort.

Sometimes my chilid should seat on back seat, so I have kepp yhe back seat. Thanks for your opinion.

 

[Honor]

Speaker replacement is nonsense, you need to replace the factory amp with one that has a DSP and delivers corrected sound signals to each speaker.
The sub is the only speaker that is really worth being replaced.

Totally I agree with you. But I have to concern the cost. ㅠ.ㅠ

 

[Fruitstang]

How much do you spend for speaker replacement incl. work?

 

[Cobrakit]

I did the front center speaker for $35. Better, not great, but worth the money and installation ease. They sell in pairs, if anyone interested in buying my extra one, message me.

I have the parts to upgrade subwoofer, $100 with speaker, wires, grille and ploy foam. Almost finished with install, not bad. Don't expect a drastic change, but hopefully a fuller bass.

 

[Honor]

I did the front center speaker for $35. Better, not great, but worth the money and installation ease. They sell in pairs, if anyone interested in buying my extra one, message me.

I have the parts to upgrade subwoofer, $100 with speaker, wires, grille and ploy foam. Almost finished with install, not bad. Don't expect a drastic change, but hopefully a fuller bass.

I agree woth you. I have replaced center speaker witih infinity one and also replaced subwoofer with pioneer one.
And adjusted eq in music player app, and then sound are much better.
As u told, it was not drastic or crazy change but it was much and pretty better than OEM b&o sound.

 

[Starship Enterprise]

If you change the front center speaker, be sure it’s 8 ohm. OEM is 8 ohm, 12.5 watts. I was going to get the Infinity one, it looked nice, but was discouraged to see it was 4 ohm. Meaning it may be too loud or even possibly strain the amp? I honestly don’t know enough to say for sure, just trying to stay within OEM specs so I don’t screw anything up.

Subwoofer OEM is Dual Voice Coil at 4 ohm each.

Currently trying to find out how many watts is allocated to the sub from the stock amp. Anyone know? Wondering if my Pioneer 10” sub rated at 400W RMS is overrated for what the amp is supplying to it. It’s probably going in anyway, since so many here have done it.

 

[Fruitstang]

Sub "rating 400 RMS" only says how much electric power it can handle, not how much it needs.
Some subs are louder with less Watts than others.
You need to hear if there's distortion at high volume and reduce the volume. That's the limiting factor.
You can use a 100 W RMS sub on a 1500 Amp and vice versa.

 

[Starship Enterprise]

I understand the RMS rating, and agree with what you said. I was reading that there is a sweet spot for the power supply in ratio to what a sub can handle. basically a sub performs best when power is between 75% and 150% of the subs RMS capability.

Anything under 75%, let’s say only 200 watts going to the 400W RMS sub, is considered underpowered and at high volumes can result in clipping and even damage to the amp. At low volumes you can hardly hear it.

Now pumping 800 watts to a 400W RMS sub is overpowered and though it sounds strong at low volume, can of course blow the sub at higher volume….but maybe not the Pioneer as it states a peak wattage of 1300….so I am guessing it can handle it.

Now the B&O system has a max volume of I think 30? I never turned it up that much, so guessing at the limit. At stock it starts to sound OK at 13, and I haven’t turned it much past 15 at extended listening. I had it up to 20 I think and that just magnified the cheap sound of what is a $1,000 system….lol.

I’m about to be 61, but still love to crank Black Sabbath, Helmet, Gorillaz, Pantera, etc. as loud as my stereo can handle it. My 06 GT had a better sounding stereo with the 1,000W Shaker system…and that was AFTER I pulled the dual sub, because it was a lot of dead weight sitting way behind the rear pass. tire. Made sharp turns way more exciting than they needed to be….

All that said, maybe when I pull the stock sub, it will have the wattage printed on it like the center speaker does. But I am still curious as to exactly how much wattage the amp dedicates to the sub so I have solid numbers to refer to. I looked for hours online trying to find data, but no luck on how the amp allocates the 900W throughout the 12 speakers.

I am putting in the Pioneer as well as a suitable 8 ohm center speaker as quickie upgrades. So far I really haven’t cranked the stereo much because the best music has been coming out the tailpipes.

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