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Except that you are wrong. The name is the same but other than that almost everything is different. Not much is known about the chassis but I would bet that it has absolutely nothing in common with a regular GT. Besides, it has carbon bodyworks and NO Coyote engine but a modified Predator engine from the GT500… Combine that with a $300k price tag and even the former title “bang for buck champion” is gone… It has almost as much in common with a Mustang as the Mach-E…
It's a modified GT3 chassis which starts life as a...you guessed it, S650 production line chassis.
Where exactly did the Predator engine get it's start? Oh right, a Coyote block.
Price tag? Yeah 300k is stupid, but I'm not accounting for that since it's a rich man's car to begin with.
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i dont understand why some are saying that its not impressive. i think those people, since they obviously know what they are doing and have clearly set 3:00 times on the Nurburgring every Saturday, should band together and make something actually impressive if its so easy to them
It’s the disappointment that speaks out of us. Everyone here wants the Mustang brand to succeed. However, the reality is that the current line-up is far away from what it once was: a performance bargain with a lovely V8. Today it’s just a sub-par quality car with a lovely V8. How can 6:57 be impressive if others can do it much quicker for much less?? No one would talk about the C8 if the initial price would be $150k for the base version. It’s not as good as a Porsche but considering price, performance and build quality its outright fantastic. The GTD on the other hand has a considerably higher price, is only reachable for the very few and is slower than much cheaper cars with less hp. Would the GTD be priced around $180k it would be very impressive but it’s almost twice as much and if you want one you simply can’t… If I want a sub 7 car I would buy a GT3 or GT3 RS for $180k or $230k and have enough money left to buy and modify an additional Shelby GT500… Pricing matters.
 

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It's an impressive time and a great accomplishment, but let's be real--it should be for a car that costs 325K BEFORE you add in the track pack (or whatever it's called on the GTD). I think the reason some people aren't as impressed is that the car costs significantly more than a GT3 RS but didn't beat that car's time. That reaction will only get worse if the ZR1 happens to beat (or match) its time for half the price.
 

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It's a modified GT3 chassis which starts life as a...you guessed it, S650 production line chassis.
Where exactly did the Predator engine get it's start? Oh right, a Coyote block.
Price tag? Yeah 300k is stupid, but I'm not accounting for that since it's a rich man's car to begin with.
Well, the GTD does not comply with GT3 regulations so Multimatic had way more freedom to do whatever they liked. Besides, with your argumentation I would ask myself where to stop. Same engine block? Why not same origin of the raw material? The engine literally has a different name and everything so it’s safe to assume/call it a different engine/chassis etc.

Again, I’m not hating the GTD or the theoretically great ring time but considering the price and the effort that was put into it it just feels a little bit disappointing because others can do more for less.
 

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Well, the GTD does not comply with GT3 regulations so Multimatic had way more freedom to do whatever they liked. Besides, with your argumentation I would ask myself where to stop. Same engine block? Why not same origin of the raw material? The engine literally has a different name and everything so it’s safe to assume/call it a different engine/chassis etc.

Again, I’m not hating the GTD or the theoretically great ring time but considering the price and the effort that was put into it it just feels a little bit disappointing because others can do more for less.
You said it has nothing to do with the mustang, I said you were wrong and explained why. It doesn't comply with GT3 regs because of stuff that was added to it (active aero, and the engine swap with a supercharger pushing above homologation limits mainly) but at its core it's still the GT3 which is still has an S650 base.

And I find the engine argument to be valid as the 911GT3 that everyone's comparing it to also has the same thing, it's a heavily modified 911 engine with higher displacement and way more power.
 


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If you guys are actually using the GT3/GT3RS/GTD prices you keep talking about as a definition of relative value on these cars you’re kidding yourselves. As I have said, the GTD‘s price will be dictated by the auction resale market for all but the lucky first round buyers. It’s unlikely to be anywhere close to $325K. And the Porsches? They have adopted the Ferrari sales tactics on 911s and won’t even talk to you about one until you have bought the requisite number of Macans and Cayennes and/or are willing to pay 100 grand plus ADM and wait a year. I’ve tried. I don’t know about the Corvettes.
 

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If you guys are actually using the GT3/GT3RS/GTD prices you keep talking about as a definition of relative value on these cars you’re kidding yourselves. As I have said, the GTD‘s price will be dictated by the auction resale market for all but the lucky first round buyers. It’s unlikely to be anywhere close to $325K. And the Porsches? They have adopted the Ferrari sales tactics on 911s and won’t even talk to you about one until you have bought the requisite number of Macans and Cayennes and/or are willing to pay 100 grand plus ADM and wait a year. I’ve tried. I don’t know about the Corvettes.
Corvettes are readily available in the Z06 and less trim. Not sure about the ZR1 but I bet "you" will not be able to touch one without a ton of ADM
 

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If you guys are actually using the GT3/GT3RS/GTD prices you keep talking about as a definition of relative value on these cars you’re kidding yourselves. As I have said, the GTD‘s price will be dictated by the auction resale market for all but the lucky first round buyers. It’s unlikely to be anywhere close to $325K. And the Porsches? They have adopted the Ferrari sales tactics on 911s and won’t even talk to you about one until you have bought the requisite number of Macans and Cayennes and/or are willing to pay 100 grand plus ADM and wait a year. I’ve tried. I don’t know about the Corvettes.
Yep, 100% agree with the Porsches and the GTD prices. I'm really curious to see how they do on the secondary market once they're available. I'm sure they will shoot up initially, but I'm really interested to see where they settle.

Many of the large Corvette dealers sell at MSRP, though the lines for the ZR1 are naturally long. They're not limited, so eventually you'll be able to get one at MSRP (or less) just as you now can for the Z06.
 

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Before I opened the thread, I knew that there will be whining and crying all over again, especially from my fellow people from Germany ( we are champions when it comes to moaning).

I think the time is impressive and it was said that the condition of the track was not perfect. It could have been perhaps even a 6.40 something in good conditions.

The Ford Mustang GTD is the fastest American Production Car at the Nürburgring. Let us appreciate and enjoy this achievement, which I believe was a ground stone for many more great sessions to come in the future.
 

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I could give a damn. Please take me back to the late 80s/early 90s when ”bang for the buck” was what mattered. How did we get here?
 

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Oh, it was wet? I haven't had a chance to watch the video itself yet.

That does change things.
Well they said sub optimal conditions. I believe the track was wet, and this was done in August when it was very hot. Not to mention if they set this lap in August, they've definitely been testing and tweaking, I assume for the better, in the months since. So the car that was gonna run in October likely has a faster setup, but couldn't get the time in.
 

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Before I opened the thread, I knew that there will be whining and crying all over again, especially from my fellow people from Germany ( we are champions when it comes to moaning).

I think the time is impressive and it was said that the condition of the track was not perfect. It could have been perhaps even a 6.40 something in good conditions.

The Ford Mustang GTD is the fastest American Production Car at the Nürburgring. Let us appreciate and enjoy this achievement, which I believe was a ground stone for many more great sessions to come in the future.
Fastest American car in sub optimal conditions while the driver said he wasn't even driving all out.
 

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i dont understand why some are saying that its not impressive. i think those people, since they obviously know what they are doing and have clearly set 3:00 times on the Nurburgring every Saturday, should band together and make something actually impressive if its so easy to them
I can't believe people who claim to be car enthusiasts, I'm starting to doubt this, are attacking this car. You and I see how ridiculous this is. This car just did what no other American car in history has done one a first lap attempt in flawed conditions, and people are bitching that it's not good enough. This is actually insane. The 300k mustang is matching the mid-engine, hybrid, AWD Porsche 918 that was about a million bucks. It's matching the performance of that car for a third the price, and people are still complaining about the price.
 

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Let’s just take a breath and celebrate just a moment and agree that it’s a very well deserved accomplishment for Ford team there. I’m personally happy that I just bought my very first Mustang the first Saturday of November 2024. Let the mods begin!
 
 








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