Official! All-New 2024 Mustang S650 Dark Horse Delivers 500 HP, GT 486 HP, EcoBoost 315 HP

[shogun32]

Yet a detuned 2022 gt with 450 have no problem beating this scat pak

the lack of revs on the SCAT really don't help it vs Coyote. Scat motor is lazy too. I wonder if a tune would clean it up a bit...

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[klink]

So I've just read 52 posts and my takeaway is that most of you are just plain nuts. So we are OK with 486/480. That's a win. Now we are going to discuss torque until the cows come home. Like a few pounds here or there is going to make any difference on the street or track for that matter.

And, of course, the Dark Horse. Some of you should go back a couple of years ago and read all the BS on the Mach 1. How it was just a glorified GT, the 20hp wasn't enough, yada, yada, yada. Now we are doing the exact same thing with the DH. Ford told us it was going to be 500HP. Now that it's confirmed everyone bitching about it. Over 6 lousy HP. How about the rest of the car? The Tremec, the coolers, etc. The advertised HP number is, has always been, and will alway be total advertising BS. And we fall for it every time.

Lastly DH pricing. Hey, y'all it's not 2016, or 2018, or 2020. Forget what a GT350 then, it's pointless. The DH will be what it will be and folks are going to line up to buy every stinking one of them. Most probably with ADM. What's the old line about history repeating itself.

So, I expect the next few hundred threads to be no different than the last 52. Instead of being appreciative of what we have we are going to continue to complain about what we wanted. Oh well, carry on!

Spot on. Perhaps a little perspective is an order here.. I'm a Dodge Challenger driver and I look at the options that Ford presents moving forward and I'm jealous.

 

[josaycuervo]

Promising news so far for the GT. The horsepower bump makes sense with the dual air intake (better airflow at higher revs, more torque at the top end).

Now we need to know...

1. Curb weight. Anything more than a tiny weight increase vs the S550 will offset the power bump.
2. 6-Speed gearing. Will Ford again make the gears even taller as they did with the S550 update? If so that will also offset the power increase. It would be understandable with the stricter emissions regulations.

 

[OppoLock]

Promising news so far for the GT. The horsepower bump makes sense with the dual air intake (better airflow at higher revs, more torque at the top end).

Now we need to know...

1. Curb weight. Anything more than a tiny weight increase vs the S550 will offset the power bump.
2. 6-Speed gearing. Will Ford again make the gears even taller as they did with the S550 update? If so that will also offset the power increase. It would be understandable with the stricter emissions regulations.

The dimensions and running gear are more or less identical, so unless they stuffed the thing with additional airbags and/or changed the material usage in the chassis to a large degree—which we would’ve probably heard about if for the better—then weight should be near identical

Identical transratios for the AT and MT unfortunately

 

[9secondko]

tbh could you imagine reading that 10 years ago

maybe we’re spoiled?

let’s face it, outright straight line speed pissing matches have become all but null and void when Suzy in her performance EV CUV can beat the brakes off of most pony and muscle cars

a glass-half-full approach could be “you can buy a volume-series Mustang GT with less than 15hp shy of 500” or the fact that they’re still offering a track-capable version in the day and age of nazi emissions bullshitery

still convinced the DH won’t last the length of the series and we’ll see some Ford Performance vehicles coming in the near future so I’d hold out expectations for big hitters and be happy with what we’re getting rn

its 2022. And the s650 is billed as “all new.” That new coyote upgrades have been lauded.

we aren’t spoiled. Heck, Chevy has a 670 go naturally aspirated engine. We are recognizing that Ford didn’t swing very hard.

now, it’s sort of understood that Ford is doing the minimum as they wade through ICE uncertainty. But others have stepped on the gas. If ford wants to tout the car as all new, make a big stink about dark horse, and talk up dual inlets, etc., then heck yes, we expect more. That’s not spoiled. It’s hoping for a reasonable upgrade.

6 horsepower? And a top model making 26 LESS hp and 11 lb-ft than the top model from nearly 9 years ago? And the GT has 2 less lb-ft than the Mach 1? That kinda sucks.

too bad the Camaro hasn’t (and may never) updated. We’d likely see a 500 hp GT. The dark horse just seems like what the GT was supposed to be and someone on the board thought “hey. That’s too good. We can sell that for more by calling it something else and then short change the GT.

I mean 486 is not bad at all on its face. But considering where the mustang was and the hype for s650, it’s a letdown. No two ways about it.

 

[OppoLock]

its 2022. And the s650 is billed as “all new.” That new coyote upgrades have been lauded.

we aren’t spoiled. Heck, Chevy has a 670 go naturally aspirated engine. We are recognizing that Ford didn’t swing very hard.

now, it’s sort of understood that Ford is doing the minimum as they wade through ICE uncertainty. But others have stepped on the gas. If ford wants to tout the car as all new, make a big stink about dark horse, and talk up dual inlets, etc., then heck yes, we expect more. That’s not spoiled. It’s hoping for a reasonable upgrade.

6 horsepower? And a top model making 26 LESS hp and 11 lb-ft than the top model from nearly 9 years ago? And the GT has 2 less lb-ft than the Mach 1? That kinda sucks.

too bad the Camaro hasn’t (and may never) updated. We’d likely see a 500 hp GT. The dark horse just seems like what the GT was supposed to be and someone on the board thought “hey. That’s too good. We can sell that for more by calling it something else and then short change the GT.

I mean 486 is not bad at all on its face. But considering where the mustang was and the hype for s650, it’s a letdown. No two ways about it.

granted, that 670hp sits behind a $110k starting price tag on a low-volume bespoke unit... i don't think anyone here understands the logistics behind mass-producing a N/A V8 under today's tier-3 regulations. the way it impacts fleet averages. the ability to sell it in select EU markets. i certainly don't

i think @Bikeman315 made a good point in that we're bitching about a few ponies here and there when we should be grateful that this kind of performance is coming to us for at least a guaranteed generation in an era that is more or less stamping out like examples

but you're not wrong for wanting to see progress, i get that

 

[Hi-PO Stang]

Maybe the Ford engineers dont want to say how much horsepower the DH 5.0 makes at 500 more RPM because of possible long term reliability issues . The improvements to the 5.0 may show up on a dyno for those who push the RPM limit.

 

[Dudie7]

I still think the DH is gonna come out with greater than 500 hp when it hits the streets.

 

[Dudie7]

I wont be. I'm already looking for a new car and nothing Ford is even on my radar anymore.

See ya later.

 

[Rocketman]

its 2022. And the s650 is billed as “all new.” That new coyote upgrades have been lauded.

we aren’t spoiled. Heck, Chevy has a 670 go naturally aspirated engine. We are recognizing that Ford didn’t swing very hard.

now, it’s sort of understood that Ford is doing the minimum as they wade through ICE uncertainty. But others have stepped on the gas. If ford wants to tout the car as all new, make a big stink about dark horse, and talk up dual inlets, etc., then heck yes, we expect more. That’s not spoiled. It’s hoping for a reasonable upgrade.

6 horsepower? And a top model making 26 LESS hp and 11 lb-ft than the top model from nearly 9 years ago? And the GT has 2 less lb-ft than the Mach 1? That kinda sucks.

too bad the Camaro hasn’t (and may never) updated. We’d likely see a 500 hp GT. The dark horse just seems like what the GT was supposed to be and someone on the board thought “hey. That’s too good. We can sell that for more by calling it something else and then short change the GT.

I mean 486 is not bad at all on its face. But considering where the mustang was and the hype for s650, it’s a letdown. No two ways about it.

Wow, a lot of junk to unpack here.

First of all, you can't compare a mass-production V8 to a bespoke LT5 that sits in a purpose-built track car. It's clear that GM wrote a blank check to create that engine and it is unfair to expect Ford to do the same for a 40-70k volume car.

Ford said that it was expecting 500 ish hp from the DH when it was revealed, and they kept the minimum of that promise. It still makes more hp than the LT2, and most importantly, more hp than the previous generation.

At the end of the day, crying about ~20 HP and 2 LB-FT of TQ is useless as it's not anything you're going to feel in a car that will likely be heavier anyway. Instead, we should be celebrating the fact this car not only still exists but is still continuously being improved in a market where it's two rivals are either going to die or morph into something completely different.

 

[zstanny]

Let’s not forget DH is 130lbs-ish heavier than the GT, based off that spec sheet we initially got. There goes most of your 14HP . I’m still of the camp we will be happy when the DH is dyno’d. Flat 500HP doesn’t make much sense all things considered. Even if it’s 500HP flat, I expect the delivery will be noticeably stronger compared to S550 GT (same could be said about S650 GT compared to S550 though).

 

[Zelek]

Reading through this whole thread as I'm currently tuning my Mach 1 on E85 which will have more power than any of these and a GT350 in stock form. Lol. The fact that you can't tune these will be a huge turn off to me. The stock tunes always feel so mild and the lack of using E85 is really holding these back.

 

[zstanny]

Congrats? Weird flex. They will eventually be tune-able. Some people also don't care to nix their warranty. I'm sure a good clip of folks here can't drive a 450+ HP car 10/10, or even 9/10. Know I can't. Valid point if you're chasing top HP numbers or 1/4 mile times.

Reading through this whole thread as I'm currently tuning my Mach 1 on E85 which will have more power than any of these and a GT350 in stock form. Lol. The fact that you can't tune these will be a huge turn off to me. The stock tunes always feel so mild and the lack of using E85 is really holding these back.

 

[Zelek]

Congrats? Weird flex. They will eventually be tune-able. Some people also don't care to nix their warranty. I'm sure a good clip of folks here can't drive a 450+ HP car 10/10, or even 9/10. Know I can't. Valid point if you're chasing top HP numbers or 1/4 mile times.

Since when does running E85 mean you're only chasing 1/4 mile times? You do realize you can road course on E85 too, right? All I'm saying is until someone cracks it, the Mach 1 is superior to any of these due to the fact that it can be tuned. If you're worried about your warranty for bolt ons and a tune, then you may need to find another car. These cars have been tuned for years with no issues pending you don't have retards like Bama tuning your car.

 

[Murfstang]

its 2022. And the s650 is billed as “all new.” That new coyote upgrades have been lauded.

we aren’t spoiled. Heck, Chevy has a 670 go naturally aspirated engine. We are recognizing that Ford didn’t swing very hard.

now, it’s sort of understood that Ford is doing the minimum as they wade through ICE uncertainty. But others have stepped on the gas. If ford wants to tout the car as all new, make a big stink about dark horse, and talk up dual inlets, etc., then heck yes, we expect more. That’s not spoiled. It’s hoping for a reasonable upgrade.

6 horsepower? And a top model making 26 LESS hp and 11 lb-ft than the top model from nearly 9 years ago? And the GT has 2 less lb-ft than the Mach 1? That kinda sucks.

too bad the Camaro hasn’t (and may never) updated. We’d likely see a 500 hp GT. The dark horse just seems like what the GT was supposed to be and someone on the board thought “hey. That’s too good. We can sell that for more by calling it something else and then short change the GT.

I mean 486 is not bad at all on its face. But considering where the mustang was and the hype for s650, it’s a letdown. No two ways about it.

You're talking about a 6 horsepower gain for the GT over the Mach 1 as a let down? Lest we forget, in the history of the Mustang GT, the "next gen" Mustang GT has never (I believe) surpassed the previous gen non-shelby performance model. So we are looking at and increase of 26 horsepower (not considering the recent 10hp drop) over the previous gen, not 6. As for the Dark Horse, I have a strong feeling it's not going to be the "top model", its the equivalent of the previous Mach 1, so you're off base talking about having 26 LESS hp. Apples to apples we're looking at a gain of 20 hp. You seem to be really reaching here and looking for any and all reasons to hate this car.

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