Misleading HP

[IceGamer]

I suppose it's a difference in culture. If Europeans are used to cars being sold with wheel hp being advertised and then buy an American car not knowing engine hp is the standard, I could see how that could appear misleading.
Need to compare stats in the same units of measure. 500hp crank vs 450hp wheel is not an apples-to-apples comparison.

People here in Germany get upset when their 204hp four cylinder engine dials in at 195...

At the end of the day it's a random number that says way less than 0-100 or 100-200 if we talk about high powered cars.

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[Gregs24]

I suppose it's a difference in culture. If Europeans are used to cars being sold with wheel hp being advertised and then buy an American car not knowing engine hp is the standard, I could see how that could appear misleading.
Need to compare stats in the same units of measure. 500hp crank vs 450hp wheel is not an apples-to-apples comparison.

European cars are advertised in exactly the same way as US cars. Slightly different units but fundamentally the same

 

[jboogie1289]

Let‘s see ….

How many times have I asked anyone with a Muscle or Exotic Car how much power does it have stock?? I can probably count on 1 hand more than likely. I never question “myself” how much Power my S650 makes because I can feel the difference. Going from 460 (Crank Horsepower) to 486 (Crank Horsepower) is noticeable to me. I already know that if I see another Power Car, it has some Horsepower without asking and I can definitely hear it when/if I get next to it.

So let me SHAKE MY FIST at Ford, BMW and Porsche (cars that I have owned and Currently own) for advertising Engine Performance Numbers that I CAN’T FEEL and shorting me on paper.

SMH, this is laughable.

 

[Bikeman315]

I suppose it's a difference in culture. If Europeans are used to cars being sold with wheel hp being advertised and then buy an American car not knowing engine hp is the standard, I could see how that could appear misleading.
Need to compare stats in the same units of measure. 500hp crank vs 450hp wheel is not an apples-to-apples comparison.

As stated before in this thread all cars are rated at the engine not the wheels. American, German,, English, Japanese, Korean, Italian, it doesn’t matter. And underrating horsepower isn’t new or just the purgative of the German’s/BMW. American V8’s of late 60‘s we’re underrated for insurance reasons.

 

[Bikeman315]

Going from 460 (Crank Horsepower) to 486 (Crank Horsepower) is noticeable to me.

You must have the most sensitive ass in the world . If these two engines are in absolutely identical cars on the same road on the same day and time then maybe, just maybe you could feel something. But after 50+ years of driving in everything from Beetles to Bentley’s I doubt anyone could feel 22 wheel horsepower. Crank horsepower is for advertising purposes only and means nothing on the road.

 

[jboogie1289]

You must have the most sensitive ass in the world . If these two engines are in absolutely identical cars on the same road on the same day and time then maybe, just maybe you could feel something. But after 50+ years of driving in everything from Beetles to Bentley’s I doubt anyone could feel 22 wheel horsepower. Crank horsepower is for advertising purposes only and means nothing on the road.

Lol, I can tell.

 

[roadpilot]

You must have the most sensitive ass in the world . If these two engines are in absolutely identical cars on the same road on the same day and time then maybe, just maybe you could feel something. But after 50+ years of driving in everything from Beetles to Bentley’s I doubt anyone could feel 22 wheel horsepower. Crank horsepower is for advertising purposes only and means nothing on the road.

^ This.

Heck, you can lose 22 HP by getting fuel at a different gas station!

 

[jboogie1289]

^ This.

Heck, you can lose 22 HP by getting fuel at a different gas station!

Well, I’m certainly glad that I don’t get fuel at “those” stations, but thanks for the heads up. In any event, “I” can tell the difference Sir’s.

Thank you for the Infomation.

 

[roadpilot]

In any event, “I” can tell the difference Sir’s.

Whatever makes you feel better.

 

[robvas]

I don't even think this thing gets 480 at the crank.
Maybe in perfect conditions.

A stock Gen 3 crate engine made 496 at the crank

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/ford-5-0l-coyote-dyno-test-cai-e85-tune-makes-532-hp/

 

[Ewheels]

European cars are advertised in exactly the same way as US cars. Slightly different units but fundamentally the same

As stated before in this thread all cars are rated at the engine not the wheels. American, German,, English, Japanese, Korean, Italian, it doesn’t matter. And underrating horsepower isn’t new or just the purgative of the German’s/BMW. American V8’s of late 60‘s we’re underrated for insurance reasons.

You guys are preaching to the wrong choir. Tell this to @IceGamer and @RaceRedder
I'm not the one with the problem with how the Mustang hp is advertised.

 

[jboogie1289]

Whatever makes you feel better.

Indeed it does. Thanks for the help.

 

[jboogie1289]

You guys are preaching to the wrong choir. Tell this to @IceGamer and @RaceRedder
I'm not the one with the problem with how the Mustang hp is advertised.

Thank you for saying this!!

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