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If they buy the car, they can do whatever they want with it, but it's still built for a specific purpose. Just because something becomes a collectors item doesn't mean it isn't built for a specific purpose lol If you don't like it, don't get it. It's not built for you.
Fair enough, I'm speaking as a car enthusiast. If you don't drive the car, and it just sits there, you're not a car enthusiast, you're just a collector. The same thing happens to numerous hobbies (comics, physical media, etc). People flood the actual hobby with collecting stuff rather than actually doing said hobby. As far as what it's built for, I would love to take it to the track as I have taken my Dark Horse to the track a couple times already. But as I stated in my original post, it's unobtanium and the majority of these cars are gonna be held in garages across the world.
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so, you can spend 350K+ for 815hp and 664lb-ft, or spend 10k on top of a base GT or DH for... 815hp and 615lb-ft with warranty, 875hp without warranty. i honestly expected closer to the high 800s in terms of power for the GTD. i understand you get active aero, better weight distribution, carbon fiber body, carbon ceramic brakes, and all that for the price, but on just power alone, this is kinda disappointing
Agreed. For almost 300 G more then a DH or GT you could use that money and make a DH/GT and make them almost fly. LMFAO.
 

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For a regular GT500 tier car, it would be fine.

But for 325-400+k?

YOu bet it's a disappointment.

I have been fangirling over this car since I first saw the concept before the GTD was even announced.

But after the ZR1 came and stole its thunder, it really needed to reach for the starts, not offer the saem engine/supercharger combo you can get from your dealer.

The suspension is great, but is it an extra 250-350+ k great?

And the sub 7 minute ring time was a given. It needes to get deep into the 6 minute time frame to justify the price and the hype they've been giving it. It needs to touch the GT2 RS, not just the GT3. and the ZR1 looks to be BEATING the GT2 RS if reports are to be beleived. Now we get BARELY over 800 HP when dodge has been providing more than that for far cheaper. And the ZR1 embarasses that number - even the torque is way higher than the GTD. 664 lb-ft? Serious? If ever there was a moment to do a turbo 5.0, 5.2, whatever, this was it. Sheesh.

If the GTD came out 6 months ago, it would be a different story. It would a GT500 that handles like a dream. Instead, they drag their feet, the corvette comes in and completely embarasses it - and it's not even a one-off hideously expensive experiment!

Sad day.
You don't know if it needs more horsepower lol

You mentioned the gt2 and gt3, which both have less than this. This car isn't made to beat other cars in horsepower, it's made to beat them in times.

So you have to see if it beats them in times.
 

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You don't know if it needs more horsepower lol

You mentioned the gt2 and gt3, which both have less than this. This car isn't made to beat other cars in horsepower, it's made to beat them in times.

So you have to see if it beats them in times.
Yup, it’s all about the total package. It’s very possible for a car to have more power and be slower due to lack of traction, imbalances, etc. If it outperforms its competitor from Porsche then it’s a success
 

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What I’m about to say is sad but likely true.

With the exception of a few cases where hardcore guys who aren’t worried about the car’s value will actually use it as intended, the only performance metric that counts is how fast the car can get to Barrett-Jackson or Mecum. Why would anyone think it’ll be anything other than a lite version of the Ford GT? It’ll spin around for years from one auction to another with all the ups and downs that accrue to any other collectible piece of art. The only reason the actual hp, lap times, etc. make a whit of difference is that ironically the better these things are, the greater becomes the car’s dollar value.

As an aside, let’s assume you can afford the car, actually get an allocation and track it. Can you even begin to contemplate the sick feeling in the pit of your stomach if you were on the track enjoying the car as intended and somehow wadded it up? Mentally watching the current collector value, whatever it had become, instantly flying away from you would be horrifying to all but the most well heeled.

Yes, this is a cynical view but it is founded in nearby and pertinent history.
 


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What I’m about to say is sad but likely true.

With the exception of a few cases where hardcore guys who aren’t worried about the car’s value will actually use it as intended, the only performance metric that counts is how fast the car can get to Barrett-Jackson or Mecum. Why would anyone think it’ll be anything other than a lite version of the Ford GT? It’ll spin around for years from one auction to another with all the ups and downs that accrue to any other collectible piece of art. The only reason the actual hp, lap times, etc. make a whit of difference is that ironically the better these things are, the greater becomes the car’s dollar value.

As an aside, let’s assume you can afford the car, actually get an allocation and track it. Can you even begin to contemplate the sick feeling in the pit of your stomach if you were on the track enjoying the car as intended and somehow wadded it up? Mentally watching the current collector value, whatever it had become, instantly flying away from you would be horrifying to all but the most well heeled.

Yes, this is a cynical view but it is founded in nearby and pertinent history.
I understand this point of view, but at the road courses you see a lot of variety so it's not entirely uncommon to see Porsches, Viper's, ZR-1's, Ferrari's, BMW's all in the price range of 100,000 - 200,000 and I'm positive I'll see a GTD out there in no time.
 

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I understand this point of view, but at the road courses you see a lot of variety so it's not entirely uncommon to see Porsches, Viper's, ZR-1's, Ferrari's, BMW's all in the price range of 100,000 - 200,000 and I'm positive I'll see a GTD out there in no time.
Yes.

But 100,00-200,000 is a way off from the ~500,000 + that these will likely fetch at auction.
 

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Yes.

But 100,00-200,000 is a way off from the ~500,000 + that these will likely fetch at auction.
That's a guess we can revisit in two-three years since you can't sell your GTD before then or auction it. You can't stop collectors from collecting. hell, I still know people with first model year C8's untouched and looking back in hindsight they depreciate faster than C7's. Until then tangibly speaking they're 300,000 but you're absolutely correct- if it tracks great then the value could rise. Point is we'll see them at the track before we see them at the auction houses many years from now and those we see at the track will be at the manufacturers price. We already have one reference to follow as noted above.
 

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You don't know if it needs more horsepower lol

You mentioned the gt2 and gt3, which both have less than this. This car isn't made to beat other cars in horsepower, it's made to beat them in times.

So you have to see if it beats them in times.
those are the same points I mentioned in another post.
Yes, the GTD is made to handle.
However, at that price point, it’s made to excel, period.
Let’s not kid ourselves. Handling and speed are no longer mutually exclusive.
the GTD is a multitasker.

e are all anxiously awaiting ring times.
But we also want this thing to be really, really quick.

it’s not a small thing for Fords exotic version of the mustang to be clipped by any tier of regular corvette in any category, let alone in one or two.

we will be seeing zr1 ring times around the same time as Gtd times. And if the zl1 is faster, then it will be a significant letdown.

as it is, the power differential is an ocean apart. Shame really since all Ford needed to do was set up the GTD with turbos instead of supercharging.
 

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You don't know if it needs more horsepower lol

You mentioned the gt2 and gt3, which both have less than this. This car isn't made to beat other cars in horsepower, it's made to beat them in times.

So you have to see if it beats them in times.
those are the same points I mentioned in another post.

Yes, the GTD is made to handle.
However, at that price point, it’s made to excel, period.

Let’s not kid ourselves. Handling and speed are no longer mutually exclusive.
the GTD is a multitasker.

e are all anxiously awaiting ring times.
But we also want this thing to be really, really quick.

it’s not a small thing for Fords exotic version of the mustang to be clipped by the corvette in any category, let alone in one or two.

we will be seeing zr1 ring times around the same time as Gtd times. And if the zl1 is faster, then it will be a significant letdown.

as it is, the power differential is an ocean apart. Shame really since all Ford needed to do was set up the GTD with turbos instead of supercharging.
The GTD is basically fords version of the most recent z28 - with multi magic dssv race car suspension, etc, only costing waaaay more. It really needs to be a hit. I’m hoping that somehow, the weight was reduced by 500 lbs or so. Because that’s really the only way Amy of this is going to result in something truly great.
 

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I don’t think the ZR1 is what some of you all are thinking.
The GTD will be significantly quicker, and the ZR1 will be significantly MORE expensive.

People are way offsides on this one.
 

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I don’t think the ZR1 is what some of you all are thinking.
The GTD will be significantly quicker, and the ZR1 will be significantly MORE expensive.

People are way offsides on this one.
Aren't both the GTD and ZR1 rumored to be targeting sub 7 minute ring times?

And isn't the ZR1 MSRP starting at only $180k?
 

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I don’t think the ZR1 is what some of you all are thinking.
The GTD will be significantly quicker, and the ZR1 will be significantly MORE expensive.

People are way offsides on this one.
People on the corvette forums are probably saying the same thing about the Mustang GTD. All we have so far are numbers, specs, and price. To me, if one could get both of these cars, the ZR1 seems much more worth it to me. From discussions with people who could afford it, people only care about the HP numbers and the price, which the ZR1 beats the GTD on both. Even now, with most people now who have the choice between a Mustang vs the Corvette, most will take the corvette. The only thing that I can think of that is an advantage towards the GTD is that corvettes have always had cooling issues. Corvettes usually can only take one lap around a track before needing an extensive cooldown period. Mustang has always had better cooling. Not sure how much that matters when most people only do 1 lap on a track at a time. But the Corvette has always had the power:weight ratio and chassis/suspension to beat out the Mustang.

Also according to this video: , multimatic seems to imply the car is closer to the Dark Horse than the GT3. I'd be curious about weight and the actual track times. This brings up something to me that I have not noticed yet: Multimatic/Ford have not released any official weight specs/lap times. To me, with the amount of testing they've done, if they've beaten the GT3RS on the Nurburgring, then they would have released that time already. As well as the weight they've been claiming they have saved. Multimatic employees seem to imply that the GTD will weigh around the GT500 weight, which is a disadvantage towards both the ZR1 and the Corvette. Again, we won't know anything until they release actual track times.

Lastly, did some research into the fastest time on the Nurburgring: https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife
Getting sub 7 minutes is definitely what the GTD is aiming for (and I'm sure they got it), but stack it against the cars that have done it and take the price of each one. Side note: one of the most impressive things about this list is the camaro zl1 1le being that high.
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