Is it me or is this car tail happy when making fast turns

[Junkyard Dog]

Just to be 100% clear here, I have more control over the throttle with Track than with Sport, but as for the maps and quotation above, I am simply passing on what was posted by ZXMustang, who knows a lot more about the ECU and tuning side of this than I do.

All I know is what I experience driving.

And I have not driven your car, so don't let me tell you anything contrary do your own experience. I am declaring ignorance, not feigning expertise.

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[Junkyard Dog]

Sport and track don't seem the same to me... after reading the description, it makes a little more sense (mud and sand), but track and sport seem very different to me.

See his update in the other thread today:
https://www.mustang7g.com/forums/threads/biggest-frustration…-track-mode.167977/page-4#post-3480867

 

[bountifulgoose]

You'll find that adjustment with your right foot much easier in Track Mode than in the other modes.

Honestly the only modes i use are sport or slippery. I have never used track lol. Is it a big difference from sport on the street?

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Honestly the only modes i use are sport or slippery. I have never used track lol. Is it a big difference from sport on the street?

Yes. There is a particularly curvy stretch of road with no cars on it almost ever with banked turns (in the correct direction) that I always flip to track mode before I am about to stand on the brakes to make the first turn.

LOL

But in all seriousness, try it out.

I cannot stand that feeling in Sport Mode of not being able to quite control part throttle inputs. That goes away in Track Mode.

My suggestion is find an area where you can make a repeated turn safely and slide the rear end without endangering anybody else. Then run through the turn in Sport Mode and in Track Mode, focusing on taking it to the edge of throttle input where the rear end is starting to break loose. The better controllability of the rear of the vehicle using the throttle in Track Mode will probably become apparent on the first comparison. They really are different.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Yes. There is a particularly curvy stretch of road with no cars on it almost ever with banked turns (in the correct direction) that I always flip to track mode before I am about to stand on the brakes to make the first turn.

LOL

My wife spoke up last time when she was in the car with me . . .

 

[bountifulgoose]

So if you compare the throttle at, say, 40% throttle, the Track Mode is opening the throttle maybe 25%, while Sport Mode is whacking that bad boy open to 50%

It does not take a lot of imagination to figure out which one gives you more control. In Track Mode you have to push that throttle down to about 70% before you get the throttle more than halfway open and across the 60% line. In Sport Mode you whack that throttle up over the 60% line at less than half throttle application with your right foot. This means Sport Mode makes it more difficult to make small adjustments. Track Mode makes it easier.

Plus the transmission does exactly what you want it to do in Track Mode. Not so much in Sport Mode.

But see the caveat in the quote from ZXMustang that base models do not even have a Track Mode. It is just Sport Mode. <--- That sucks.

That makes sense, so sport would be better for going strait line light to light fun, where as track would be better suited for twisty mountain and canyon roads.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

That makes sense, so sport would be better for going strait line light to light fun, where as track would be better suited for twisty mountain and canyon roads.

Drag for straight. The shift is not even close in Sport, and Drag allows you to walk it off the line with a slightly softer pedal initially and ramps up from there (look at the chart above in post #42, lower right is Drag, compare, for example, 40% throttle with Sport, upper right, 40% throttle, and you will see what I am talking about). Drag Mode makes the launch a little better and then hang on.

 

[glenng6]

That makes sense, so sport would be better for going strait line light to light fun, where as track would be better suited for twisty mountain and canyon roads.

Exactly the type of roads where I do my "spirited" driving. I am almost always in track mode, and as I said in an earlier post, when I feel the rear getting light, all I need to do is back off the throttle slightly, and almost instantly you can feel it settle down. I also agree that in a straight line I have thought initial response in track mode left something to be desired, now I know why! Thanks to those who have contributed to this thread! Glenn

 

[Neggytive]

Thanks for all of you that contributed information about throttle position and mode differences, for a while I thought I was going to be flamed for posting this but a few of you saved the day.

You have my thanks

But I have learned to keep the throttle inputs down when the wheels are not straight

 

[Junkyard Dog]

But I have learned to keep the throttle inputs down when the wheels are not straight

Yep.

There is no way to apply 500 horsepower in a turn.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Sport and track don't seem the same to me... after reading the description, it makes a little more sense (mud and sand), but track and sport seem very different to me.

I'd be curious what you say now that you have seen what ZXMustang posted - whether the Sport and Track mode throttle mapping are different in your Ecoboost.

but I noticed you drive an Ecoboost premium and not a base model, so we might have to ask him what he meant by base model.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

Not getting at you, but I disagree here too.
Having the rear actually slide on corner exit limits your drive onto the straight, The tyres have exceeded their traction limit and won't take further throttle input.
What is needed on corner entry is rotation or rear yaw to accelerate the turning movement and enabling you to accelerate harder as the corner opens out.
Also called slow in, fast out or squaring the corner

--> Depends on the tires and surface conditions. On some tires or surfaces, the slip angle is dramatic enough that the car is visibly sliding. Thats why if you watch old cars race on bias ply tires, they are all sliding through the corners. Its not as simple as "any oversteer is bad".

--> The tires will absolutely take further accelerator input. If you keep giving the rear more power, you will keep propelling yourself forward. That's just how it works. If you're countersteering correctly, then you should absolutely give the car a little bit of throttle, but not an excessive amount.

--> Squaring the corner is taking the shortest line to optimize the time spent accelerating. You're essentially making the track, or section of road before and after the corner, as straight as possible. Trail braking and/or slow-in fast-out are simply methods to achieve the end goal of squaring the corner, or making the track as straight as possible.

 

[Dark Sprite]

I tested out the difference between Sport and Track throttle response on the way home today and it is markedly different! Track has a much smoother application of power needing to get above what I’d estimate is 35-40% before it really starts to pull, whereas sport felt a lot more immediate at what I’d guess was 15-20% input.

I’d say sport is probably better to “feel” the power in normal daily driving conditions, whereas I’m sure track would give you more controllable and measurable power if you’re driving at the limits of the cars grip.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

I tested out the difference between Sport and Track throttle response on the way home today and it is markedly different! Track has a much smoother application of power needing to get above what I’d estimate is 35-40% before it really starts to pull, whereas sport felt a lot more immediate at what I’d guess was 15-20% input.

I’d say sport is probably better to “feel” the power in normal daily driving conditions, whereas I’m sure track would give you more controllable and measurable power if you’re driving at the limits of the cars grip.

IMO, tuning throttle to make the gas pedal more sensitive is one of the dumbest modern car trends. Having the throttle linearity cranked up to where 20% pedal input = 85% of the torque makes people feel like their car is a rocketship, because you have 80% of the pedal left to play with, but it removes most of the nuisance and ability to modulate the throttle. The remaining 80% of the throttle is just dead space with minimal effect on torque. Its silly, and I wish they would stop, lol.

Its nice that track mode tunes it down a bit, as it should.

 

[Sofa King]

See his update in the other thread today:
https://www.mustang7g.com/forums/threads/biggest-frustration…-track-mode.167977/page-4#post-3480867

Thanks... makes more sense.

I'd be curious what you say now that you have seen what ZXMustang posted - whether the Sport and Track mode throttle mapping are different in your Ecoboost.

but I noticed you drive an Ecoboost premium and not a base model, so we might have to ask him what he meant by base model.

There is certainly a difference between sport and track mode... I love track mode, sport mode, not so much. It still seems to shift too early (too low RPM), especially in the higher gears/while cruising. The sport mode in my S550 holds all shift points about 1000 RPM higher in all gears as far as I can tell.

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