ESS G3 Supercharger kit arrived & installed!

[Q6543]

I wonder if the rails are choking flow at that point perhaps.

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[schmeky7]

Paul's Stable,

You should be fine.

Whipple's calibration did not work on my 2024 GT. That's all I have to say about that. Whipple put me through hell with this, continuously blaming the install.

But in the end, it was corrected by using a different tuner. Working good now.

 

[ZXMustang]

I wonder if the rails are choking flow at that point perhaps.

Doesn’t appear to be a problem. It’s pretty cut and dry now as the Pw on the injectors is about maxed out. Pumps happy and rail pressure is perfect. If I try to eliminate certain limiters instead of closing throttle bodies it just runs lean. So we will see once I get them installed.

 

[Ewags81]

So we will see once I get them installed.

 

[ZXMustang]

lol no choking. Rail pressure and injector PW perfect now. Pump pressure sagging a tad but for this level of power on 93 I wouldn’t be concerned. It’s only when the PI side leans in to help DI where low side pump needs a bit extra voltage. But high side and rail/injector are all good now. Went from 11ms Pw to 3ms now with the GT500 injectors. And I pushed up the pump voltage nominally as well as the high fuel demand alternator voltage so it cleaned up mostly. For anything more than the 120 pulley/93 set up might as well get WENGERD’s fuel system and call it a day.

 

[Huncho_durell]

I just got my g3x kit yesterday for my s650 and I just want to know if im ok with the 120mm pully & BAP with id1050 injectors for an 93 and e85 tune without a fuel system? Goal for right now is to make 700-750whp only mods i currently have is kooks cattless headers. I plan to get my 93 and e85 tune from wengerd performance

 

[Junkyard Dog]

BAP might be light for E85, but I'll let somebody respond who actually knows what they are talking about.

If you want to hear from the ignorant, I would be looking at KPM 1500 or Fore or Lethal Performance Division X.

But that's only if you want to take the advice of somebody who has no real idea of what is required. Personally, I wouldn't do that, if I were you. I'd ignore the ignoramus and talk to an expert.

 

[ZXMustang]

Yeah skip the BAP and buy Derel's fuel system. There is no point to do a half step here.

And first full rip in my 25 GT PP car with the ESS G3. Car is on 93 and has very conservative timing locked in for WOT. HOLY HELL. Its fast, obv too fast for stock tires. I havent even turned up the trans yet.

Stock trans shift points
I rolled into 2nd scared as shit, for good reason. It ripped off the 2-3 shift and spun the entire way through 3rd to the 3-4 shift where it continued to spin for a bit then hooked mid way through 4th into 5th.
Its an absolute ANIMAL. Im happy to report that this was a clean rip. No knock, no tq limiters or modulation stepping in. And it drives BETTER than stock at this point. No throttle hang or throttle pedal weirdness I was getting before. Its finally clean now.

Need to note, the PI side pump pressure is suffering. Even not commanded, PI leans in to compensate for DI and it pulls the pump pressure into the 50s when it should be in the 70s. And nothing I have done is able to help it out. You just straight up need a BAP for 93 with this pulley, or you need a fuel system. #sorry.

On to the video. I honestly shouldnt have stayed in it but I only turned off TC not advance track, so I had some support if it went south.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Looks like fun.

 

[cbrtrx]

I just got my g3x kit yesterday for my s650 and I just want to know if im ok with the 120mm pully & BAP with id1050 injectors for an 93 and e85 tune without a fuel system? Goal for right now is to make 700-750whp only mods i currently have is kooks cattless headers. I plan to get my 93 and e85 tune from wengerd performance

I'm guessing that is the base intercooler for the kit? It looks rather small. I know it's thicker then the past but would you have any measurements of it?

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Now if somebody could just figure out a way to keep these cars cool with boost running for 20-30 minutes at a time, I would have already added some sort of forced induction to mine. But, well, I don't want to never be able to do what I am doing in my avatar.

 

[Garcia172]

Yes after 10 long weeks, it showed up. I have decided to let a trusted shop do the install. They did my whipple Gen3 and it was perfect.

Install is Thursday. I already have my base tune written for it. I will be street tuning the kit all weekend.

The plan for this is to just do the base G3 kit with all the base options. No fuel system or injectors. Just as cheap as possible - on 93.

Once I get my base tunes for 93, I will see how far I can push the completely stock fuel system with e20/30 and if it will take it, e40.

Then I can start doing my ghost cam and pop flame tunes.

I figure the majority of folks will need tuning for the base kit on 93. After all this and some track testing, I'll order up Derel's fuel system and some ID1050x injectors and see what I can do on E85 with it. Should be fun@@

I'd like to run 9s on pure 93 with nothing but a drag radial or full drag pack. That would be a great formula for folks looking to get into the 9s with a modest investment.

Im sure like the gen3, this kit will be the top seller going forward. Mine was $6900 delivered from Graveyard performance. G3, 120mm pulley and all the default options.

UPDATE:


Going well. I’m tuning it slow on the street. It absolutely rips on a conservative tune.

How much boost are you seeing with each pully (120 vs 125mm)?

 

[ZXMustang]

Now if somebody could just figure out a way to keep these cars cool with boost running for 20-30 minutes at a time, I would have already added some sort of forced induction to mine. But, well, I don't want to never be able to do what I am doing in my avatar.

I just set the fans to run faster and lower temps and mine says nice and cool 190s. And when im out logging I beat the dog shit out of it. My car is a PP car though.

 

[ZXMustang]

How much boost are you seeing with each pully (120 vs 125mm)?

about 12psi with the 120. I dont have the 125 pulley at the moment. But it would probably help the low side pump pressure a bit.

Im going to recommend to everyone to just get the low side fuel system. Sagging low side pressure is fine when your car is brand new like mine especially when the high side is keeping up. Any aging of the pump and its going to be a problem. Why risk it. And a BAP might be a temp fix, but again why risk it at this point.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

I just set the fans to run faster and lower temps and mine says nice and cool 190s. And when im out logging I beat the dog shit out of it. My car is a PP car though.

Fans are just in the way on a road race course, due to the speeds involved. In fact, the Dark Horse R GT4 cars, if you look at the allowed list of mods, they do not allow removal of the fan and shroud, but the teams can drill a bunch of large holes in the shroud to permit better airflow through the radiator.

They also remove the grills and install a minimalist large grid wire screen and duct the openings to the radiator force all of the air directly into it.

If they could remove the fan and shroud, they would.

Fan speed does not help with heat on a road course.

On a Dark Horse, the fan ceases to play a part in cooling somewhere just above 30 mph, and the car is never that slow on track, even under a caution flag.

Of course, mine is a street car, so I need a fan, as I am under 30 mph all the time, stopped at lights, in traffic, and so on.

A lot of the track only HPDE guys who trailer their cars just install a fan on the back of the radiator with no shroud, so they can have some cooling when stopped without the blockage of air passing through the radiator that the shroud creates when on the track. The best situation is tight ducting up to the radiator and negative pressure on the other side of the radiator at speed. Of course, the Dark Horse R cars cannot open more of the hood than the stock Dark Horse, either. They do have a custom, large, dual pass radiator, and although I know who the vendor is, I do not know who the manufacturer is or whether they sell to non-race team Mustang owners. They still hit 270-80 on oil temps, and they are naturally aspirated.

Every HPDE S550 or S650 car with turbos or superchargers that I have found so far overheats after a few laps. None of them are making it 30 minutes. The older cars, S197 and such, could do it, but they were pushing around the same horsepower that our S650 cars are now pushing from the factory.

P.S. - I am sure your strategy works well on the street. I am talking about a different use case.

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