S650 bodywork repair bill

[Fluffy57]

A couple days ago while arriving back home I accidentally hit my accelerator instead of the brake and hit the back of my garage. Luckily the garage was fine and all the damage caused to the car was cosmetic. I took it to fords collision repair shop and wanted to make sure the quote I received from them seems fair. I’ve attached photos of the damage below and the estimate to fix it. Also I didn’t get a pre collision alert, and never have while driving, is the system unreliable or do you think there’s something wrong with mine? Thank you.

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[SR5BART]

Pre collision at least in Toyotas is unavailable until like 7-10mph I believe. All depends how close you were to the garage when you mistakened the pedals. Sucks but glad you’re ok.

 

[Kaleza]

Honestly from what i see its only front bumper, if i had to pay from my pocket i would get one from ebay and swap it on my own. But if you are going through insurance and only are only paying for deductible then it doesn’t rly matter. But also u can always go to some other body repair shop and ask for evaluation.

 

[Stangerous]

A couple days ago while arriving back home I accidentally hit my accelerator instead of the brake and hit the back of my garage. Luckily the garage was fine and all the damage caused to the car was cosmetic. I took it to fords collision repair shop and wanted to make sure the quote I received from them seems fair. I’ve attached photos of the damage below and the estimate to fix it. Also I didn’t get a pre collision alert, and never have while driving, is the system unreliable or do you think there’s something wrong with mine? Thank you.

In that short of a distance I don’t think the car would pick up what you did or have time to alert you that you hit the wrong pedal.

 

[Yamazuki]

Labor wise, it looks real similar to what the Ford collision center here quoted me to paint a fiberglass hood and blend the fenders. $4300 total.

I told them they were crazy and took the car elsewhere.
The body shop that is actually doing the work quoted me $1700 and have called me everyday with updates and facetime calls making sure they're doing what I want and that I'm happy with the work they've done. I've dealt with the ford body shop here before and they would NOT have done that.

Don't be afraid to shop around!!

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Seems a little steep to me. But everything is expensive now so who knows. Id definitely get a second quote from a private body shop before moving forward.

Are you using insurance or paying out of pocket?

The collision warning probably doesn't work under a certian speed or that close to an object when you are stopped.

 

[Neggytive]

Personally?

(remember I am a licensed appraiser and former shop owner)

They want to buff the hood then blend doing a full clear.

The hood does not need any body work according to them

I would rather them try to tint the paint and spray out test panels to get the fender right especially since they are not painting the whole fender, they are going to "blend in panel, full clear" before I added paint thickness to the hood and the chance of a detectable blend

The car is new, there is not a fade issue yet.

What I don't see, and this concerns me is there is no "pre scan" and there is no reset/recalibration of the distance sensors.

If you read Ford's position statements and repair procedures I would know that a pre scan is called for in their procedures and there is no way in hell that after disturbing the distance sensor in the overhaul process that Ford is not calling for a recalibration.

It is a 3 stage paint, and that stuff is not easy to spray, it is even harder to blend over existing paint as it will get darker with every added layer.

I really really hope their painter is a top notch guy because that is going to suck to refinish

I'm kind of hoping that if the damage to the fender is what I think it is, kind of rolled down and out a little, that the tech can just grab it and tug it back up into position and while holding tension on it tap it with a rubber mallet to get it to stay in shape. Almost like a paintless dent repair.

As I get deeper into my response I am now really wondering why they are not looking for tint/spray down just to make sure the bumper cover matches the unrepaired fender and the area of the hood that is not getting color, just clear.

Doesn't the hood liner have to be r&I'd to get the scoop out?

I don't see that on there.

I will admit I am a but rusty since I have retired and don't have the software to double check things, but I'm just tossing my thoughts out there as a devils advocate.

I'm not saying the shop is wrong, I'm just saying it is not how I would have written it FROM A SHOPS SIDE.

From an Insurance side, first appraisal, not seen at a shop it is typical for a not give away the store appraisal. That appraisal would certainly be laughed at if it was written by an insurance company's appraiser because we all know they missed a ton of things

Miscellanious or single use hardware

Denib and spot polish front bumper cover ( plastic parts are not usually wet sanded and buffed)

No Sand/Buff or denib/polish on the fender or hood

No car cover for primer

I see .5 hrs for tint, it is a effn 3 stage, again I want spray out panels

no masking jambs,

no R&I headlights

no additional masking of the engine bay

before I go too far off the rails here did a shop or insurance company write that estimate?

 

[Skye]

Id definitely get a second quote from a private body shop before moving forward.

Are you using insurance or paying out of pocket?

This, +1.

Get an additional quote, preferably two more. For greater detail on the process and better definition of pricing.

Clarify to the shop if you'll be paying out of pocket, using insurance or ask for two quotes. Pricing between the two can sometimes be huge. The money spent working directly with the shop could give you elements of repair the insurer typically cheaps-out on.

 

[bountifulgoose]

For reference, on my dh i got my wheels powder coated black, front bumper repainted, headlight trim painted gloss black, mirror caps painted body colored, both fenders painted, spoiler painted and my hood painted, for I believe $4,200.

 

[Sofa King]

Make sure that the shop has the proper procedure for the paint repair, as @Neggytive said it is a tricky paint. I had my Royal Crimson S550 repaired several years ago (similar type paint), my paint shop contacted ford for the proper procedure, and we had to buy the $1000 a pint tint coat to do it right.

 

[Charger68]

I would agree with an earlier post about the front bumper, except I think it can be repaired and not replaced. They'll just sell or fix it and sell it on Ebay.

 

[Wiley Marmot]

As the others said; a second quote from another (private) shop is a good idea!

 

[hal26]

Out of pocket $1565

 

[Neggytive]

I would agree with an earlier post about the front bumper, except I think it can be repaired and not replaced. They'll just sell or fix it and sell it on Ebay.

read Ford's position statement on bumper repairs and repaints

Repairs are not allowed and only 1 respray allowed.

They will not guarantee the distance and other sensors will work as designed with aftermarket, repaired, or covers with more than a certain paint thickness.

Their position statement is in the link below:

https://fordcrashparts.com/wp-conte...Bumper-Fascia-Position-Statement_FNL_2022.pdf

 

[Neggytive]

Collision Position Statement
May 20, 2022
Bumper Fascia Repair with Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS)

Ford Motor Company vehicles contain many state-of-the-art features that provide occupant safety and enhance the driving experience. Bumper fascias play an integral role in the performance and functionality of these features.

The original bumper fascias on Ford Motor Company vehicles are designed and manufactured to function with advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS) like those listed below:
• Pre-Collision Assist with AEB
• BLIS® with Cross-Traffic Alert
• Intelligent Adaptive Cruise
• Lane-Keeping System
• Active Park Assist
• Evasive Steering Assist
• BLIS® with Trailer Coverage
• Pro Trailer Backup Assist

During body repairs that involve front and rear bumper fascias, it is critical that the vehicle be restored to proper operating condition to ensure that these important safety systems function correctly.

Repair of bumper fascias using fillers, reinforcement tape, hot staples or plastic welding can adversely affect ADAS operation.

For this reason, Ford Motor Company is limiting repairs on front and rear bumper fascias on all Ford Motor Company vehicles equipped with any ADAS features to topcoat refinish only. Topcoat finish cannot exceed 12 mils (300 microns) in total thickness.

Any bumper fascia damage that requires substrate repairs must be replaced.

Measurement of the topcoat finish requires the use of an ultrasonic paint thickness gauge, such as PosiTector 200 or Phase II UTG-2900, available through Rotunda.

The following points provide an overview of bumper fascia repairs:
• Paint repairs can be made if the material thickness does not exceed 12 mils (300 microns) in total thickness
• Use of any filler materials or reinforcement tapes to repair substrate damage is not permitted
• Use of hot staples or plastic welding to repair cracks or damage is not permitted
• Repair of any sonic-welded sensor retainer rings or tabs is not allowed, due to possible
misalignment and incorrect operation of the sensor
• Note that vehicle wraps, bumper stickers, and aftermarket accessories in the area of the fascia can create system operation concerns

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