Our S650 HP compared to the C8.

[Junkyard Dog]

Yep, I’m knocking on the door of 64 here shortly. Yea, I do miss the C7 w/manual. But I gotta admit the DCT is bad ass for putting the power down to the black top. I’m opening my myself up for a beating from the manual fans on this next statement….,but Ford could take the Mustang to another level by offering a DCT option.

GT500 was DCT.

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[Cz_Ziemniak]

Its all preference. I’m still at the point in life where I have no issues with driving stick in traffic or whatnot, but I don't really care what anyone else drives

 

[Deleted member 62674]

GT500 was DCT.

Yes Sir, you are correct. So with the Ford engineers already having done their job on the DCT, why not make it optional for other performance trim levels? I guess the additional costs to offer it rather than a traditional AT could be a reason.

 

[Deleted member 62674]

Its all preference. I’m still at the point in life where I have no issues with driving stick in traffic or whatnot, but I don't really care what anyone else drives

Exactly, if it makes you happy….go with it.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Yes Sir, you are correct. So with the Ford engineers already having done their job on the DCT, why not make it optional for other performance trim levels? I guess the additional costs to offer it rather than a traditional AT could be a reason.

Folks are already complaining about the cost.

I remember when the Fox bodies were being purchased new for just under $10k, and it was one of the fastest things going back then. I wonder what everybody would have said back then if you would have predicted an MSRP north of $70k for the 2025 Dark Horse . . .

 

[Deleted member 62674]

Folks are already complaining about the cost.

I remember when the Fox bodies were being purchased new for just under $10k, and it was one of the fastest things going back then. I wonder what everybody would have said back then if you would have predicted an MSRP north of $70k for the 2025 Dark Horse . . .

And nothing is likely to go down for sure. This is the old man in me talking, but my first brand new car was a 1978 Grand Prix for a whopping $4,400 with my minimum wage job at $2.65 an hour. Back then I was so broke I couldn’t even afford to pay attention after I bought it.

 

[S550VIN54]

And nothing is likely to go down for sure. This is the old man in me talking, but my first brand new car was a 1978 Grand Prix for a whopping $4,400 with my minimum wage job at $2.65 an hour. Back then I was so broke I couldn’t even afford to pay attention after I bought it.

I remember those! I just saw a cobra remake (65 cobra) for sale on market place which is in the next town would be the ultimate play car for someone if anyone is interested.
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[Kevi]

Folks are already complaining about the cost.

I remember when the Fox bodies were being purchased new for just under $10k, and it was one of the fastest things going back then. I wonder what everybody would have said back then if you would have predicted an MSRP north of $70k for the 2025 Dark Horse . . .

GTs are in line with inflation. I'm sure the dark horse is in line with previous special edition cars.

 

[SmoothButter]

GTs are in line with inflation. I'm sure the dark horse is in line with previous special edition cars.

Uh oh you said the “i” word, grab the popcorn

 

[Dragster]

GTs are in line with inflation.

Well... There's a lot of factors, including what year is compared to today. The base MSRP of a GT in 1985 was $9885 according to Car and Driver. That would be $29,532.36 today--way less than a 2025 GT's base MSRP of $46,560. Obviously, all of the additional content and safety features have driven the price up. The base MSRPs are closer to inflation in more recent times, though. The issue here is that there are more options than ever and the option prices have increased, along with removing content from packages, so real world build prices have gone up significantly.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

GTs are in line with inflation. I'm sure the dark horse is in line with previous special edition cars.

Uh oh you said the “i” word, grab the popcorn

Well... There's a lot of factors, including what year is compared to today. The base MSRP of a GT in 1985 was $9885 according to Car and Driver. That would be $29,532.36 today--way less than a 2025 GT's base MSRP of $46,560. Obviously, all of the additional content and safety features have driven the price up. The base MSRPs are closer to inflation in more recent times, though. The issue here is that there are more options than ever and the option prices have increased, along with removing content from packages, so real world build prices have gone up significantly.

My only point was that it was a cheap, fast (for the time) car. I remember one of the car magazines in 1988 or so buying a stripped down stick shift version new and then taking things out to lighten the weight and running dragstrip times that were impressive for back then (nothing like now).

The cars are way better now and should cost more.

Folks still complain about the cost, though.

 

[Q6543]

You actually need to use the S&P 500 to properly calculate inflation over time… that calculator just bases it off core inflation rate.

That 15k in 1985 market adjusted to 400K… just enough to put you in a GTD top of the line halo car.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

You actually need to use the S&P 500 to properly calculate inflation over time… that calculator just bases it off core inflation rate.

That 15k in 1985 market adjusted to 400K… just enough to put you in a GTD top of the line halo car.

S&P 500 returned about 11.55% over that 40 year period. $15,000 annually is $1,250 a month. Continue $1,250 a month from 1985 until today, and you would have contributed only $600,000 for the entire 40 years, but your account value would have grown to $14,252,318

I think $14 million would let you buy pretty much any Fords you wanted.

 

[Will2]

Anyone driven both a GT (not Dark Horse) and a base C8?

Wondering how the low-end torque and handling feel compares between them. Missing my old Camaro LT1's instant low-end torque in basically any gear. C8 supposedly has more torque than the LT1, but not sure if it feels that way.

 

[robvas]

You can overlay the graphs but you have to look at the gearing of the transmissions to get the real picture

C8s get a 4.89:1 final-drive ratio, whereas Z51s are fitted with a 5.17

Mustang gets a 3.15 or 3.55

However, the first three gears in the 10R80 are:

And the first three gears in the C8 DCT are:

So then you can calculate wheel torque by multiplying those together.

Mustang ends up with (for 3.55 rear)

And the base C8 Corvette ends up with:

You then multiply those by the torque of the engine at whatever RPM.

Let's look at 3500rpm, the Mustang has 335 * 16.69 = 5,591, and the C8 has 415 * 14.23 = 5,909
6,000rpm, the Mustang has 300 * 16.69 = 5,007 , and the C8 has 410 * 14.23 = 5,834

The engine in the C8 has gobs more torque but the C8 is geared a lot lower.
So even with less actual torque at the engine, the Mustang can make up for it with more RPM and gearing.

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