Shoe shopping - is Forged worth it?

[robvas]

Who said that you said SVE was bad ? Not sure where you got that from . Only point i am trying to make here is that probably over 80% of wheels for sale in US are chinese and most of them are decent and some excellent .

Implied when you said

it's ironic how many bash the crap out of " chinese made "

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[Aggie1999]

@24CTDH , if you don't need the well known name brands, SVE and Apex seem to be the main name brands listed here, I bought 20x10 / 20x11 Flow Formed Stance SF10s and I love them. While I haven't actually weighted them, but with the 275/35 R20s on the front, they "felt" lighter and the stock wheels I took off.

 

[24CTDH]

Aggie - do you happen to have a pic or two to share of how those look and what size tires youre running in the rear? is you rig lowered at all?

i am a bit concerned about the stance/appearance in a non lowered car. it seems like most people who swing for aftermarket wheels have also lowered their vehicle which is throwing me off on gauging what tire sizes are going to look best in either a 19 or 20 inch wheel

 

[Garcia172]

A flow formed wheel (or spun forged or whatever the buzzword marketing is using now) is so much cheaper you can generally buy a whole set for what a single forged wheel would cost

and it's not like you're going to break a flow formed wheel on the track. Unless you hit something at 100mph (which would damage a forged wheel too...)

Cast centers do break on the track. The difference is that the cast center breaks, the forged center bends. One comes apart, the other doesn't. And it's a big deal on a track. Seen it, been there done that.

 

[robvas]

Cast centers do break on the track. The difference is that the cast center breaks, the forged center bends. One comes apart, the other doesn't. And it's a big deal on a track. Seen it, been there done that.

Sure, if you crash into something. And some people like the wheel to break so the suspension doesn't get destroyed.

 

[Garcia172]

Not sure if this was mentioned but here's a big consideration.

Cast (what ever you want to call it) breaks (as in comes apart)

Forged bends.

I hit a pot hole in my CSL550 that had cast aftermarket wheels (still expensive). Broke both wheels on wheels at 80mph.

Turn 2 at WSIR, outside rear cast BBS replica wheel snaps center... car off track almost flipped over from wheel folded under car.

Performance/weight issues aside, understand the difference in saftey.

Just my .02 cents.

 

[Garcia172]

Sure, if you crash into something. And some people like the wheel to break so the suspension doesn't get destroyed.

Turn 2 at WSIR. Hit nothing. Outside rear snapped. Car went flying off track and was almost flipped over due to the wheel folding under the car and digging into the dirt.

Have it on video somewhere from the car behind me (on the track).

 

[robvas]

Turn 2 at WSIR. Hit nothing. Outside rear snapped. Car went flying off track and was almost flipped over due to the wheel folding under the car and digging into the dirt.

Low quality wheel I assume? Damaged and not noticed?

It's not like ALL cast wheels easily break. Cars would be stranded all over the road.

 

[Garcia172]

Low quality wheel I assume? Damaged and not noticed?

It's not like ALL cast wheels easily break. Cars would be stranded all over the road.

Just pointing out the differences from a safety perspective. One snaps and comes apart. The other bends and stays together.

Obviously we're talking about wheel failures irrespective of how the wheel failed (impacts and/or lateral loads).

Was it low quality? I would argue yes... obviously. But I would never trust a cast wheel on the race track.

 

[MidwayJ]

they recommended i try a 19x11 square set up but that it would take 25mm wheel spacers and some sort of extended wheel stud kit

I dont know how people feel about spacers and stud kits......i feel like at that point youre really deviating from the factory dialed in suspension which might be detrimental to your suspensions health and perhaps even unsafe.

19x11 square is a common track setup to maximize traction in the turns, and typically a Mustang with that wheel/tire setup has suspension mods as well. It wouldn't be unsafe, but it's overkill for street use.

 

[robvas]

Just pointing out the differences from a safety perspective. One snaps and comes apart. The other bends and stays together.

Obviously we're talking about wheel failures irrespective of how the wheel failed (impacts and/or lateral loads).

Was it low quality? I would argue yes... obviously. But I would never trust a cast wheel on the race track.

Sure, my point was they aren't just going to magically break because they aren't fully forged vs flow forged.

And it's not like they're carbon wheels which also fail spectacularly and aren't even allowed in a lot of cases, but people are all about those.

 

[MidwayJ]

It's not like ALL cast wheels easily break. Cars would be stranded all over the road.

That's why OEM wheels are usually quite heavy. Even though the they're cast, they're more durable than cheap cast aftermarket wheels that are typically lighter.

 

[smurfslayer]

Low quality wheel I assume? Damaged and not noticed?

It's not like ALL cast wheels easily break. Cars would be stranded all over the road.

Not all OEM wheels are great. My wife's Lincoln has 21" wheels and low profile tires.
first problem - I changed lanes at about 65 and drifted right into a pot hole bending one of the wheels. Bent it, had to replace it.
2nd problem - I was in a construction zone and nailed a crater at about 58-60mph. Very hard hit and it bent the shît out of the wheel. Though it didn't break the bead on the tire. had to replace this one too.
3rd problem - we know with 100% certainty that this issue was an OEM wheel - meaning one of the 2 OEMs left. It somehow developed a leak- a not insignificant leak, dropping to the 20's overnight from full.
I searched high and low for a leak and couldn't find one, sent her to discount tire- the rim was cracked and leaking. It was cracked on the inside... barrel(?) of the wheel, not the wheel lips.

I for sure am responsible for the pothole hits, I'm not blaming the car or wheels, but DAMN. She still has one bent wheel causing a slight vibe. I know I nailed that first pothole on an identical lane change in the Dark Horse, it was loud, but at least I didn't bend or break a wheel.

 

[robvas]

Not all OEM wheels are great. My wife's Lincoln has 21" wheels and low profile tires.
first problem - I changed lanes at about 65 and drifted right into a pot hole bending one of the wheels. Bent it, had to replace it.
2nd problem - I was in a construction zone and nailed a crater at about 58-60mph. Very hard hit and it bent the shît out of the wheel. Though it didn't break the bead on the tire. had to replace this one too.
3rd problem - we know with 100% certainty that this issue was an OEM wheel - meaning one of the 2 OEMs left. It somehow developed a leak- a not insignificant leak, dropping to the 20's overnight from full.
I searched high and low for a leak and couldn't find one, sent her to discount tire- the rim was cracked and leaking. It was cracked on the inside... barrel(?) of the wheel, not the wheel lips.

I for sure am responsible for the pothole hits, I'm not blaming the car or wheels, but DAMN. She still has one bent wheel causing a slight vibe. I know I nailed that first pothole on an identical lane change in the Dark Horse, it was loud, but at least I didn't bend or break a wheel.

One of those low profile tire risks...

I had a 2G Mitsubishi Eclipse back in the day...combined with their weak ass OEM wheel and our winter roads...I think I bet a full set of those

 

[agreywolfe]

looking for some strong opinions this morning!

the stock tires are coming to the end of their life here on the ole 24 non hp darkhorse. before i buy new rubber im considering moving up in wheel size to either 19x10 19x11 vs 20x10 20x11 thus im looking at wheels.

Whats everyones opinion on forged wheels? are they worth the significant $ increase? looking at the weight savings alone between for example, a set of apex wheels, and the factory wheels does seem significant. it seems significant enough certainly to make more hp.....but other than a few extra ponies is there really anything a daily driver is going to notice? people talk about improved 'feel' in their suspension and appreciating the grip of their tires more.......is there truth to that???


follow up question - does anyone recommend another brand of lightweight forged wheels to shop such as Apex? Apex appears super legit. some of these other online companies ive googled look sketch at best

thank you for your thoughts, let em fly!

if you plan on tracking the car a bunch and looking to maximize all available potential, then get forged

in all other scenarios rotary forged/ flow formed (theyre the same) are best bang for buck

when it comes to brands, i went with one of the most recognizable names HRE. they have both forged and flow form. i run the Flowform FF10s

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