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Great pics! I'm planning a route up through Colorado to attend the Sturgis Mustang Rally at the end of August. It's going to include Million Dollar Highway and Cottonwood Pass.

It's a little early to be upset about that. Ford didn't produce the S550 GT500 until 5 years into the S550 run. What the Shelby American GT350 does tell us is Ford will not be calling their special models anything Shelby. Maybe they will be Boss, Cobra, special Dark Horse editions--whatever, but...

Yes. The S197 Super Snakes were modified GT500s.

There's already a long thread about this. It's a modified GT, not a Dark Horse.

Hmmm. Looking at the list of "upgrades" from the GT to the Shelby GT350 I don't see 500+ hp for the NA GT350, better magneride suspension, a better manual transmission, or better cooling for the engine, transmission, and differential.

See the first sentence of post #75. Leave me alone. :)

My reply you quoted was responding to what robvas said, hypothetically, about what Shelby would do to a Dark Horse. My Intent wasn't to imply Ford would allow it. I agree with you they likely would not.

They had already done this with the S550 and S650 Super Snakes. But calling these new ones the GT350 and GT350R is more egregious because of what Ford did with those nameplates.

Shelby must love that there are people out there who actually believe this.

Better than modifying a GT and having a car that's worse than a Dark Horse. I think a blower, body kit, seats, exhaust, etc. on a Dark Horse would at least have some appeal, even though I'm sure it would be vastly overpriced like everything else they do.

It likely means Ford wouldn't let Shelby American take a Dark Horse, slap on some bolt ons, and call it a Shelby. It's too bad, though. That's what SA did with the S197 Super Snakes. Started with a GT500 from Ford, modified it, and. called it the Shelby GT500 Super Snake. A Shelby Super Dark...

Because allowing Ford to create Shelby GT500s and GT350s under license produced cars with more meaningful performance upgrades and raised customer expectations of what those models should be. Going back to SA modifying GTs and calling them "GT350s" is a step backwards.

Not really. The Mach 1 and Dark Horse are much more track focused with additional cooling for the engine, transmission, and differential, as well as the handling packages. The Bullitt had none of that. I wonder if people wanted the Mach 1 to be a Bullitt in different colors with a shaker hood...

Since the Mustang name has continued uninterrupted to the present, younger generations know what a Mustang is, even if only S550 and newer. Mach 1, Bullitt, and Boss are primarily associated with the 60s and early 70s, which is a long long time ago. When the S650 was introduced, fox body gauges...

I totally agree. I'm more in support of expanding mass transit than self driving. If the people who don't want to drive are off the f-ing road, the driving environment for enthusiasts will be better and safer.

I agree it's silly to say the S650 shape overall is a rip off of the Camaro, but those hips look just like the 6th Gen Camaro, lol. Design improvement? Exterior styling is mostly subjective. I think the bottom line is if Ford had released something more radically new and fresh in terms of the...

I don't think it's feasible to have a platform used for both gas and electric vehicles. EVs are just too different, starting with the location of the batteries. I think there's some merit to this, although I think it would be more marketable as a little "hot hatch" than a coupe. I don't think...

A Mustang sedan would probably not outsell the coupe right off the bat, but if it eventually did so be it. A four door V8 Mustang is better than no Mustang.

Bingo! Look at the buzz Chevrolet created with the C8. Customers notice when companies add value to the product. Another example is the Hyundai Elantra N. It's better than anything else at its price point. I used to be against this, but I believe adding practicality is a key to appealing to the...

I agree! And a Dark Horse just seems like poor value in comparison. I don't think that's Ford's plan (it never has been), but I think some kind of new and improved chassis for the S650 was warranted to make it a better value.