S650 Mid Cycle Refresh

[Zig]

My guess is s750 is exclusively hybrid, but that's reasonable and not a turn off if that's what it takes to keep the V8 alive in 2030 and beyond.

But what’s the requirement that makes that the case? If it aint really as dirty as they (the other they not the they we like) have previously claimed wouldn’t the requirement be void?

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[young at heart]

I seriously doubt we will see a bump in HP or anything significant performance wise though. The 4th gen coyote is pretty maxed out for a naturally aspirated V8.

And that right there speaks the 100% truth. It just doesn’t make sense engineering wise or mechanically for Ford to bust their collective hump to gain 20-30 NA hp when 750-800 is right around the corner with tried and true FI. Now maybe they’d change some minor intake piece and claim a 10 hp increase for marketing purposes but we know that’s a joke.

If that logic doesn’t convince you then money should. If they added a few extra NA hp and gave the resulting car a name dreamers like, how much will it cost relative to the new ”GT500” whatever it is? Keep in mind a recent post showed a guys’s new 87K Dark Horse. Besides all that, go drive a bone stock DH with the handling package and tell me how much better a new NA Mustang could ever get than that car. Hint: it can’t, at least without pushing the $ into the aforementioned “GT500” territory while decreasing reliability.

The next stops upstream stops on the Mustang railroad will have either Hybrid or Supercharged in their name. Count on it; nothing else makes sense.

 

[MidwayJ]

Personally I’d love to see a Hybrid version of the GT- that high revving V8 with twin electric motors in the front giving it 750-850 HP and AWD.

but I know there are a ton of purists who frown on anything electric.

I doubt Ford would care whether the purists like it or not. I'm sure some Corvette purists dislike the E-ray but it's not stopping them from buying a Stingray or Z06. I think the question is how much of a premium would customers be willing to pay for a hybrid Mustang.

 

[Thomas]

And that right there speaks the 100% truth. It just doesn’t make sense engineering wise or mechanically for Ford to bust their collective hump to gain 20-30 NA hp when 750-800 is right around the corner with tried and true FI. Now maybe they’d change some minor intake piece and claim a 10 hp increase for marketing purposes but we know that’s a joke.

If that logic doesn’t convince you then money should. If they added a few extra NA hp and gave the resulting car a name dreamers like, how much will it cost relative to the new ”GT500” whatever it is? Keep in mind a recent post showed a guys’s new 87K Dark Horse. Besides all that, go drive a bone stock DH with the handling package and tell me how much better a new NA Mustang could ever get than that car. Hint: it can’t, at least without pushing the $ into the aforementioned “GT500” territory while decreasing reliability.

The next stops upstream stops on the Mustang railroad will have either Hybrid or Supercharged in their name. Count on it; nothing else makes sense.

Unless they are planning to do what Corvette did, and modernize the whole platform from the ground up. Doesn't mean it needs to be mid engine, but they would get major improvements through weight and strength optimizations to create a new frame, stick a double wishbone on it etc.

 

[MidwayJ]

The 4th gen coyote is pretty maxed out for a naturally aspirated V8. And remember, there isn't any real competition in the segment anymore that would necessitate change or advancement.

Given where Mustang prices have gone, I think it's being cross shopped more than ever with European cars with turbo sixes. Closing the gap in power compared to some of those would be nice, but I get the maxed out point.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

My guess is refresh in '27 and a new gen pretty close to 2030. The refresh will offer new front and rear designs, but will probably also offer hybrid versions of the 5.0 and 2.3. My guess is the hybrid versions will essentially be s750 powertrains in an s650 body.

Brands do this, where they put a powertrain in a gen as it nears the end of its production cycle. This lets them iron out any quality issues on the powertrain side before it launches in the next gen, and lets them see what people like and don't like about it.

My guess is s750 is exclusively hybrid, but that's reasonable and not a turn off if that's what it takes to keep the V8 alive in 2030 and beyond.

Highly unlikely the next gen be called S750. We'll surley get a new platform by then.

 

[young at heart]

Unless they are planning to do what Corvette did, and modernize the whole platform from the ground up. Doesn't mean it needs to be mid engine, but they would get major improvements through weight and strength optimizations to create a new frame, stick a double wishbone on it etc.

Uhhh, $$$.

Why build something they can’t sell profitably in volume?

 

[MidwayJ]

There is no competition? Why invest in a refresh when there is no motivation for Ford to improve?

One reason for a refresh would be to address things people don't like about the car. One of those things is price. We know that won't change, but Ford could upgrade the quality of interior materials to be more in line with what they charge for the car.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

One reason for a refresh would be to address things people don't like about the car. One of those things is price. We know that won't change, but Ford could upgrade the quality of interior materials to be more in line with what they charge for the car.

Umm Have you seen what they've been doing since the S650 launch? They're taking features away, not making them nicer lol. And they're raising the price at the same time.

 

[MAT1955]

Hybrid version - never. Isn't the room or the appetite, yet alone the cost of such an endeavor to sell it.

 

[MidwayJ]

Umm Have you seen what they've been doing since the S650 launch? They're taking features away, not making them nicer lol. And they're raising the price at the same time.

Yes, my suggestion is sadly contrary to Ford's current approach, which certainly won't help their slow sales.

 

[MidwayJ]

Unless they are planning to do what Corvette did, and modernize the whole platform from the ground up. Doesn't mean it needs to be mid engine, but they would get major improvements through weight and strength optimizations to create a new frame, stick a double wishbone on it etc.

Uhhh, $$$.

Why build something they can’t sell profitably in volume?

I think the only way Ford could justify the investment in a new platform would be if they used it across multiple vehicles, (i.e. coupe, sedan, and SUV). It would be consistent with expansion of the Mustang "brand" that started with the Mach E. I know that's not something most people in this forum want to hear.

 

[Frogdog1]

Two things. A lot of people don't like the "plasticy" interior and other things about it. Nobody says what they would replace it with except for carbon fiber and leather, both of with cost much more than they would likely be willing to pay for. So, criticizers should throw out suggestions remembering....it's a FORD and the masses are only going to pay so much. It takes the masses to make a car model succeed.

Secondly, I'm not worrying about the future of Mustangs in my life, so I'll just enjoy what I have and let Ford worry about the next thing to come. There will always be a car available that I like and it doesn't have to be a Mustang,, although I hope it is.

 

[Zig]

I think the only way Ford could justify the investment in a new platform would be if they used it across multiple vehicles, (i.e. coupe, sedan, and SUV). It would be consistent with expansion of the Mustang "brand" that started with the Mach E. I know that's not something most people in this forum want to hear.

That’s the skateboard. Mustang is it’s own platform, remember. The skateboard concept for everything that isn’t (shoot can’t recall the word for enthusiast only line at the moment - )

 

[Zig]

i think a hybrid setup would need a new chassis entirely. i mean, you could in theory do an AWD one like the Corvette, but i remember some guy did an AWD conversion for his Mustang and it required modification of the oil pan to fit the differential and half shafts, among other mods. a RWD one might be a bit more possible, but there's still the issue of where to put the motor if you do it like an F-150 PowerBoost. there's also no real place for the hybird battery and electronics to charge and discharge and maintain it

But how big does a 50 highway mile battery need to be? Only need to cover the daily commute and recharge in 5 mins. Reduce the size of the fuel tank and substitute the spare tire as a battery? Use the ev to increase the fuel range total. Honesly that ev to ice sound in that vid floating around was nice.

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