Disabling Auto Start Stop permanently?

[LouG]

If it's only about AS/S, just use your middle finger for the ASS-button

I didn't think this was that kind of forum.

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[sportcolbs]

Just heard on the news that Trump has rolled back the auto-stop function on new cars being built. Said it will save $2000 per car.

 

[Bikeman315]

Just hear on the news that Trump has rolled back the auto-stop function on new cars being built. Said it will save $2000 per car.

If you believe that I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. A $2000 savings for a $20 part. The manufacturer may save $20 but the savings to the buyer will be “Zero”. Typical smoke and mirrors.

 

[Zig]

If you believe that I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. A $2000 savings for a $20 part. The manufacturer may save $20 but the savings to the buyer will be “Zero”. Typical smoke and mirrors.

Tariff?

 

[Gregs24]

Just heard on the news that Trump has rolled back the auto-stop function on new cars being built. Said it will save $2000 per car.

Yes he did say that ($3000 when I listened) but it is total rubbish of course.

Car makers are not going to suddenly change course for a few months / year or two when they know the direction of travel globally is one way.

 

[Gregs24]

If you believe that I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. A $2000 savings for a $20 part. The manufacturer may save $20 but the savings to the buyer will be “Zero”. Typical smoke and mirrors.

It isn't even $20 as the system is still there because it has to be in the platform for the rest of the world. It is just disabled that is all and somebody used a black permanent marker on the switch!

 

[Zig]

It isn't even $20 as the system is still there because it has to be in the platform for the rest of the world. It is just disabled that is all and somebody used a black permanent marker on the switch!

You mean they just rewired the ignition switch? The more robust alternator cost more than $20. You guys still dealing with the seat-belt-ignition-interlock?

 

[TVMADoc]

If you believe that I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. A $2000 savings for a $20 part. The manufacturer may save $20 but the savings to the buyer will be “Zero”. Typical smoke and mirrors.

It wasn't only the ASS system, it was the fact that the EPA is mandating average fuel economy that cannot be attained and smog equipment that restricts the engine. Not having to continue to design these ludicrous systems will at least keep cars from continuing to spiral into GT3 RS money.

 

[TVMADoc]

Yes he did say that ($3000 when I listened) but it is total rubbish of course.

Car makers are not going to suddenly change course for a few months / year or two when they know the direction of travel globally is one way.

The truth is that if these manufacturers no longer are required to follow these insane regulations the increase in the cost of cars may slow down relative to what we're currently seeing. If we continue with government overregulation, no one but the elites will be able to afford a vehicle-otherwise known as "working as intended".

 

[Bikeman315]

It wasn't only the ASS system, it was the fact that the EPA is mandating average fuel economy that cannot be attained and smog equipment that restricts the engine. Not having to continue to design these ludicrous systems will at least keep cars from continuing to spiral into GT3 RS money.

Don't kid yourself. These regulations will be back in 2029. The manufacturers are not going to do anything until the dust settles. Also I highly doubt that a regular Mustang is ever going to approach even regular 911 levels much less GT3RS ones.

 

[Gregs24]

The truth is that if these manufacturers no longer are required to follow these insane regulations the increase in the cost of cars may slow down relative to what we're currently seeing. If we continue with government overregulation, no one but the elites will be able to afford a vehicle-otherwise known as "working as intended".

But they are required by the rest of the world and these features need to be designed in to the platform. It will make NO difference at all.

Cars will certainly not get cheaper!

 

[Zig]

But they are required by the rest of the world and these features need to be designed in to the platform. It will make NO difference at all.

Cars will certainly not get cheaper!

Right hand drive is a unique configuration based upon locale.

 

[Mr Hyde]

It was never mandated in the first place it was incentivised. It requires more robust alternator, starter and coding to function which all add up to extra cost and the system as a whole is useless anyway.

 

[TVMADoc]

It was never mandated in the first place it was incentivised. It requires more robust alternator, starter and coding to function which all add up to extra cost and the system as a whole is useless anyway.

It also requires an upgraded battery that degrades at a faster rate if the ASS system is active. My wife's Highlander chews through extended flooded or AGM batteries at a prodigious rate, and she tries to deactivate the system as often as she can remember.

It's a horrible bit of tech that really does nothing but make EPA testing look better while giving nothing but downsides in the real world.

 

[smurfslayer]

It isn't even $20 as the system is still there because it has to be in the platform for the rest of the world.

I'll bet it's well north of $20 to have AS/S. I don't even think the switch is a separate part any more is it? If it's an integrated solid state piece, that's not 20 quid ( quid are like bucks, right? )

'17-'20 when Ford rolled it into more models, it was a switch. You could reverse it to make it default to off :-) Zero cost mod. Or you could jump it to make the switch do nothing. IIRC, there may have been minor trimming. I got the switch dongle to not permanently update and default it to off. I thought I remembered reading that switch wasn't easily modified or replaced ( got a Dark Horse, so don't have that bug feature in my Mustang ). I've even used it after both the stereo upgrade and defaulting it to off. It's rare, but I have like when stuck in parking lot traffic getting away from the beach. But otherwise, it scrams my amps when I restart and I don't like the lag between start up and full power available from the engine.

The brilliance of this action is that we're not mandating that manufacturers remove it, we're simply returning the decision to them on whether or not new models should have it. Honestly, I don't know how that will play out because as we see, the Mustang is a small portion of sales, and I don't know the number of suburban and urban dwellers are going to not care.

I'd venture that the majority of US performance car buyers won't want it and I'd expect subsequent model years of more performance oriented cars won't have it active.

It also requires an upgraded battery that degrades at a faster rate if the ASS system is active. My wife's Highlander chews through extended flooded or AGM batteries at a prodigious rate, and she tries to deactivate the system as often as she can remember.

It's a horrible bit of tech that really does nothing but make EPA testing look better while giving nothing but downsides in the real world.

IF Ford were of a mind to do this AND they could source a cheaper, lighter battery, starter, possibly cabling and center stack assembly, and could save money per unit in the market place then yes I could see them strongly consider reverting in a future model year.
That's a lot of "IFs".

The battery on a properly sized system with AS/S on won't degrade sufficiently like the wife's Highlander. F150s got it in I think 2017, and my Rap never had an issue with it until I disabled it in '19 if I recall correctly. Tiny European econoboxes came with the tech years before hand.

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