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Wow, they raised the pricing levels of the LL classes. LL2 is now 40000-74999. I bet a non Carbon Fiber Dark Horse should be in there. Doubt the Carbon Fiber one makes it though.

LL1 is now up to 39,999, meaning a base GT may make it in, but I would assume they test a PP1 car.
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Wow, they raised the pricing levels of the LL classes. LL2 is now 40000-74999. I bet a non Carbon Fiber Dark Horse should be in there. Doubt the Carbon Fiber one makes it though.

LL1 is now up to 39,999, meaning a base GT may make it in, but I would assume they test a PP1 car.
I think that there is no way the DH with cf will be in ll3. The 2022 gt500 started at 76,000. Even today that is 77,000. There is no way that the DH CF will be more than or even close to the starting price of the GT500
 

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I think that there is no way the DH with cf will be in ll3. The 2022 gt500 started at 76,000. Even today that is 77,000. There is no way that the DH CF will be more than or even close to the starting price of the GT500
The CFTP was a 15k-ish dollar option on the GT500. The wheels are 19 vs 20 on the DH, but I don't expect them to be cheaper than 8-9k. Maybe a base DH is 59k, 8k carbon fiber wheels, 4k handling pack, and it squeaks by at 71k. So maybe it makes LL2 with carbon fiber and the raised limit this year. Optioned out with carbon fiber, I bet it gets awfully close to 78k if not over. If it makes it in LL2, I think it takes that crown.

For reference, a Mach 1 HP fully optioned with recaros and Auto and appearance package was 69,5xx the final year. Here is a build I did, and it doesn't include the appearance package.
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I fully expect to pay between $68K-$72K for a loaded DH.
 

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I fully expect to pay between $68K-$72K for a loaded DH.
Yep, plus about 8k more for the carbon fiber wheels if I had to guess.
 


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C&D Lightning Lap Results
- 3:11.6 2022 Subaru WRX (Manual)
- 3:11.4 2022 VW Golf GTI (Manual)
- 3:07.3 2022 Hyundai Elantra N (Manual)
- 3:06.1 2022 Hyundai Kona N
- 3:05.2 2015 Ford Mustang GT PP1 (manual)
- 3:04.7 2022 BMW i4 M50
- 3:00.6 2022 BMW M240i xDrive
- 2:59.6 2023 Toyota GR Corolla Morizo Edition (Manual)
- 2:58.8 2023 Honda Civic Type R (Manual)
- 2:55.6 2023 Toyota Supra 3.0 (Manual)
- 2:54.6 2023 Cadillac CT-4 Blackwing
- 2:52.6 2022 Mercedes AMG SL63
- 2:52.5 2022 Audi RS3
- 2:51.4 2021 Ford Mustang Mach 1 (manual)
- 2:47.5 2023 BMW M4 CSL
- 2:44.6 2020 Ford Mustang GT500
- 2:43.9 2023 Lamborghini Huracan Tecnica
- 2:40.5 2022 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS
- 2:38.6 2023 Chevrolet Corvette Z06

- 3:39.1 Kia Carnival
- 3:54.1. Kia Carnival with 6 passengers

Neat quick Vette LL references:
- 3.01.2 2008 Corvette Z51 (C6)
- 3:01.1 2006 Corvette Z06 (C5)
- 2:53.5 2011 Corvette Z06 (C6, manual)
- 2:50.1 2012 Corvette ZR1 (C6, manual)
- 2:49.0 2020 Corvette Stingray (C8, auto)
- 2:44.6 2015 Corvette Z06 (C7, manual)
- 2:39.5 2019 Corvette ZR1 (C7, auto)
- 2:38.6 2023 Corvette Z06 (C8, auto)
it makes sense that the C8 Z06 is quicker than the C7 ZR1. That would follow the trend of all the other generations before it, and that GM engineering attempts to outperform the previous generation, one level higher trim.
 

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I'm exited how the Z06 will be ranked, I'm expecting a 2:43

A Dark Horse with handling package surely should be in the Lightning Lap next year. But I honestly don't expect much improvement over the already good Mach 1 time.

If you are in for the best bang for the bucks a C8 1LT Z51 is insane. 2:49 itself might not sound that impressive, but this was done on friggin Sport 4S tires. Slapping on Cup 2 should easily subtract above 2 seconds, making it at least on par with a C7 GS that had ceramic brakes and the aero downforce package (if you are looking for aftermarket ideas for the C8).
Here's for hoping GM puts a decent manual transmission in the car sometime soon. It's a shame it's not even available with 3 pedals. Basically they gave up on making it fun to drive.
 

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I fully expect to pay between $68K-$72K for a loaded DH.
I'm hoping for some serious deflation, because I'm not interested at all if they cost anywhere near that. The Mach 1 already costs too much. If Ford has to charge that much to make money on the DH, they have serious issues.
 

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I'm hoping for some serious deflation, because I'm not interested at all if they cost anywhere near that. The Mach 1 already costs too much. If Ford has to charge that much to make money on the DH, they have serious issues.
Mach 1 HP was a bargain back in 21 especially if you got it under 2% invoice pricing. That comes out to around $58k + TTL. I paid MSRP for mine because of the cancellation of my order. :frown:
 

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Mach 1 HP was a bargain back in 21 especially if you got it under 2% invoice pricing. That comes out to around $58k + TTL. I paid MSRP for mine because of the cancellation of my order. :frown:
When I bought my GT350 MSRP was $55,195. Still too much money, but I decided to pay it. I foolishly even paid $5K dealer ADM. I loved the car, but it was dumb of me to spend so much on it. The Mach 1 fully loaded should have been cheaper than a GT350. I won't accept an MSRP close to $20k more for a 5 liter Mustang that makes less power. I realize it will be almost 9 years later by the time the DH comes around, but that's way too much of an increase. 55 to 72 would be a 30% increase! That's insane.
 
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When I bought my GT350 MSRP was $55,195. Still too much money, but I decided to pay it. I foolishly even paid $5K dealer ADM. I loved the car, but it was dumb of me to spend so much on it. The Mach 1 fully loaded should have been cheaper than a GT350. I won't accept an MSRP close to $20k more for a 5 liter Mustang that makes less power. I realize it will be almost 9 years later by the time the DH comes around, but that's way too much of an increase. 55 to 72 would be a 30% increase! That's insane.
Inflation is a bitch for sure.

$55,000 in April 2015 is $70,000 in today’s money. A comparably-equipped DH to a base 15-16 spec GT350 is probably a bare bones model, and back then you could only opt for the track or the tech package on a GT350. Then they standardized the track package in 2017 and you could option the electronics package or the convenience package. Carried over for 2018. 2019-2020 they standardized a lot of equipment in terms of tech and track. Basically you could add on the tech package with the bangin’ B&O system (and stuff like BLIS and puddle lamps) and the handling pack with adjustable strut tops and a gurney flap. Started at $59k in 2020. That is sadly about $66-68k base in today’s world.

Items will get standardized, pricing will go up, but the past few years have absolutely fucked our dollar up, so it’s nice to see that the DH hasn’t increased proportionally and instead straddles a 3-4% bump over a Mach
 

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Inflation is a bitch for sure.

$55,000 in April 2015 is $70,000 in today’s money. A comparably-equipped DH to a base 15-16 spec GT350 is probably a bare bones model, and back then you could only opt for the track or the tech package on a GT350. Then they standardized the track package in 2017 and you could option the electronics package or the convenience package. Carried over for 2018. 2019-2020 they standardized a lot of equipment in terms of tech and track. Basically you could add on the tech package with the bangin’ B&O system (and stuff like BLIS and puddle lamps) and the handling pack with adjustable strut tops and a gurney flap. Started at $59k in 2020. That is sadly about $66-68k base in today’s world.

Items will get standardized, pricing will go up, but the past few years have absolutely fucked our dollar up, so it’s nice to see that the DH hasn’t increased proportionally and instead straddles a 3-4% bump over a Mach
The funny thing about inflation is that it doesn't happen if people don't accept the high prices. I'm not supporting 30% inflation. It seems foolish to me. I don't believe Ford is paying their people 30% more money. I think Ford is just pocketing a bunch of extra money with these high prices and I'm not going to pay.

The base spec GT350 was $49K MSRP. $55K was for the tech pack version.

The worst thing is if Ford charges that much - they probably also won't make enough cars and it will be terrible to try to get one. If the DH is amazing and there are lots of them available to purchase at local dealers... then I might get sucked in. But I'm not too worried about that.
 

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The funny thing about inflation is that it doesn't happen if people don't accept the high prices. I'm not supporting 30% inflation. It seems foolish to me. I don't believe Ford is paying their people 30% more money. I think Ford is just pocketing a bunch of extra money with these high prices and I'm not going to pay.

The base spec GT350 was $49K MSRP. $55K was for the tech pack version.

The worst thing is if Ford charges that much - they probably also won't make enough cars and it will be terrible to try to get one. If the DH is amazing and there are lots of them available to purchase at local dealers... then I might get sucked in. But I'm not too worried about that.
It’s not a Ford thing. This whole practice is systemic and industry wide.

There’s a reason you can’t buy an M3 for $45,000 anymore. Or a Mustang for $25,000. Or an Accord for $15,000.

Inflation exists. Content gets standardized. Safety and emissions standards make cars more complex in design and material use. Bigger cars sell better, so we see continuous, incremental increases in wheelbase and dimensions. All of these things drive up cost on yearly and generational intervals.

Recent buying trends have proven that customers are buying higher-content vehicles. Whether or not they should is a separate discussion, but car buyers as a whole are overstretching themselves with stupid financing terms.

And wages have stagnated for several decades at this point across all industries. Don’t know what would make Ford be the outlier to ignore the industry practice and freeze their pricing because of this. It’s just the state of affairs right now.

The Mustang bears no difference from the norm, but you’re smart to vote with your wallet.
 

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It’s not a Ford thing. This whole practice is systemic and industry wide.

There’s a reason you can’t buy an M3 for $45,000 anymore. Or a Mustang for $25,000. Or an Accord for $15,000.

Inflation exists. Content gets standardized. Safety and emissions standards make cars more complex in design and material use. Bigger cars sell better, so we see continuous, incremental increases in wheelbase and dimensions. All of these things drive up cost on yearly and generational intervals.

Recent buying trends have proven that customers are buying higher-content vehicles. Whether or not they should is a separate discussion, but car buyers as a whole are overstretching themselves with stupid financing terms.

And wages have stagnated for several decades at this point across all industries. Don’t know what would make Ford be the outlier to ignore the industry practice and freeze their pricing because of this. It’s just the state of affairs right now.

The Mustang bears no difference from the norm, but you’re smart to vote with your wallet.
No I agree with you that Ford isn't alone by any means. I also agree that people are spending a lot of money on cars.

I bought my 2018 FiST for a really great price. It was used, but only had 500 miles on it and had been traded from dealer to dealer. I think the FiST was a really good budget vehicle, but they didn't sell as well as other vehicles.

I realize I'm a bit of an outlier and it isn't that long ago that I bought a vehicle that was on the high end of the price spectrum. Even though $55k doesn't seem like that much now, in 2015 it was pretty expensive for a Mustang. I remember lots of people on the 6G forums complaining about the "Shelby tax" and saying they wished Ford would get rid of the Shelby name so that the car would cost less. Now the perspective has really shifted.
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