Auto stop start on a 2025 GT premium.

[Gregs24]

The bearings are supported by a pressurized film of oil so that there is no metal to metal during operation. If the oil system had an electric pump maintaining that pressure when the ASS was activated then I would agree the wear to bearing surfaces could be minimal. How long do you think the oil pressure is maintained without an electric oil pump? Probably less than a second or two. It is completely logical to assume that there will be increased bearing wear with an ASS without an electric oil pump.

The manufacturers care nothing for problems that occur out of warranty. Any accelerated wear from the thousands of non-pressureized starts would certainly be discovered after the warranty expires.

Just because the "data" says it's fine does not make it true. I remember when doctors told heart patients to use margarine instead of butter because it was more "heart healthy". I remember when They changed the narrative from "global warming to "climate change" because it stoped warming. I remember when the words "safe" and "effective" were used to describe the deadliest and least effective vaccine in history. They were so confident in that POS that they ruined the lives of people who refused to take it. This is why we do not trust "data" from the elites.

Excuse us for not buying into "the sky is falling" global warming inspired, auto stop start horseshit.

I'm afraid it does. Stop start has been around for 30+ years on millions of cars - the reliability data IS there. Your logic is a flawed opinion IGNORING the evidence. Modern engines are designed for stop start as are modern lubricants. How do you explain the millions of cars with stop start that have over huge mileages on them and don't forget the millions of hybrids too which turn their ICE on and off. Do you ignore all data or just the things you don't like? If evidence and data cannot be used what do you use instead?

Margarine is LESS harmful than butter - fact. Other things are better still.

Global warming (which is happening now still of course) causes Climate Change (they are not the 'same' thing) - climate can get colder in some places because weather patterns are changing as a result of increased energy in the atmosphere but overall the globe is warming. You say the Earth is no longer warming - how do you 'know' this when ALL the evidence points to the opposite?

These are facts backed up by evidence. If you don't like that then fine, but your opinions are WRONG. Hard to take for some people but reality.

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[Zig]

I'm afraid it does. Stop start has been around for 30+ years on millions of cars - the reliability data IS there. Your logic is a flawed opinion IGNORING the evidence. Modern engines are designed for stop start as are modern lubricants. How do you explain the millions of cars with stop start that have over huge mileages on them and don't forget the millions of hybrids too which turn their ICE on and off. Do you ignore all data or just the things you don't like? If evidence and data cannot be used what do you use instead?

Margarine is LESS harmful than butter - fact. Other things are better still.

Global warming (which is happening now still of course) causes Climate Change (they are not the 'same' thing) - climate can get colder in some places because weather patterns are changing as a result of increased energy in the atmosphere but overall the globe is warming. You say the Earth is no longer warming - how do you 'know' this when ALL the evidence points to the opposite?

These are facts backed up by evidence. If you don't like that then fine, but your opinions are WRONG. Hard to take for some people but reality.

Perspective:

“According to new research, Earth was flat 4.4 billion years ago and almost completely covered in salt water.”

https://www.countryliving.com/uk/wildlife/countryside/news/a1774/earth-once-flat/

 

[PBBLASTER]

I'm afraid it does. Stop start has been around for 30+ years on millions of cars - the reliability data IS there. Your logic is a flawed opinion IGNORING the evidence. Modern engines are designed for stop start as are modern lubricants. How do you explain the millions of cars with stop start that have over huge mileages on them and don't forget the millions of hybrids too which turn their ICE on and off. Do you ignore all data or just the things you don't like? If evidence and data cannot be used what do you use instead?

Margarine is LESS harmful than butter - fact. Other things are better still.

Global warming (which is happening now still of course) causes Climate Change (they are not the 'same' thing) - climate can get colder in some places because weather patterns are changing as a result of increased energy in the atmosphere but overall the globe is warming. RYou say the Earth is no longer warming - how do you 'know' this when ALL the evidence points to the opposite?

These are facts backed up by evidence. If you don't like that then fine, but your opinions are WRONG. Hard to take for some people but reality.

Wow, you actually believe margarine is healthier than natural butter? Is that because it says so on the package? No wonder you believe the MSM.

Here is another reason we have trouble with trust in the global warming scam:

https://www.breitbart.com/environme...rts-are-0-41-with-their-doomsday-predictions/

Only the invention of the Santa clause story has a tighter grip on the voluntary mass deception of society than climate change. People get equally pissed when a person threatens either fabrication. They were both invented for profit.

Remember those old cigarette ads where doctors talked about how brand X was good for the throat or cleared the lungs?

Keep on believing the "experts".

I'll do my own thinking.

 

[POHLHAMMER]

A automobile is designed to accelerate and decelerate. They have been designed this way for over a hundred years.

If for say you were shopping for a used car and the choice between 2 identical cars , same cosmetic condition, same maintenance records , no visible differences. Totally the same ,and these are known facts. Mustang GT is the car.

Car 1 has 32,000 all hwy , driven by granny miles.
Car 2 has 29,000 all city , driven by 28 year old grandson. Cars are kept in the same garage.

Hypothetically , which car do you buy and why ?

 

[Upacurb]

I work for the largest manufacturer of aftermarket alternators and starters in the world (the first half of my career worked for one of the largest manufactures of a certain emissions component in the world)

I can tell you the data is absolutely there that stop/ start starters fail at a higher rate then non stop/ start .

I can also tell you..... working with some of the best automotive engineers/ technicians in the North America.....lets just say I turn off the stop/ start and have taught my wife and oldest daughter to turn off the stop/ start every time I get in the car......

If people want to continue to be sheep and believe everything the nice man on the TV tells them.....I dont really care- believe what you want to believe.....just thank you for your future business.......

 

[Gregs24]

Wow, you actually believe margarine is healthier than natural butter? Is that because it says so on the package? No wonder you believe the MSM.

Here is another reason we have trouble with trust in the global warming scam:

https://www.breitbart.com/environme...rts-are-0-41-with-their-doomsday-predictions/

Only the invention of the Santa clause story has a tighter grip on the voluntary mass deception of society than climate change. People get equally pissed when a person threatens either fabrication. They were both invented for profit.

Remember those old cigarette ads where doctors talked about how brand X was good for the throat or cleared the lungs?

Keep on believing the "experts".

I'll do my own thinking.

If 'doing your own thinking' means believing Breitbart then you are in deep trouble. If you just want to see what matches your agenda then crack on, but it doesn't mean it is true. You do know John Nolte is an author not a scientist?

Simply not worth wasting time on you or anything you say - Goodbye - IGNORE

 

[Gregs24]

I work for the largest manufacturer of aftermarket alternators and starters in the world (the first half of my career worked for one of the largest manufactures of a certain emissions component in the world)

I can tell you the data is absolutely there that stop/ start starters fail at a higher rate then non stop/ start .

I can also tell you..... working with some of the best automotive engineers/ technicians in the North America.....lets just say I turn off the stop/ start and have taught my wife and oldest daughter to turn off the stop/ start every time I get in the car......

If people want to continue to be sheep and believe everything the nice man on the TV tells them.....I dont really care- believe what you want to believe.....just thank you for your future business.......

Produce that evidence please

Here is my evidence to the contrary

115925.pdf

Here is some data that confirms that starter motor wear is NOT an issue. (Plus ISG's are replacing starter motor systems for increased efficiency making the argument null and void anyway).

So opinion (without data) v evidence with research to back it up - you choose!

 

[Upacurb]

Unfortunately I cant divulge internal data on a public forum.....we don't even share the exact numbers with our largest customers.....I am extremely involved in the data though and I will leave it at that......

As you well know, numbers in studies can often be influenced by the team running the study.... and unfortunately there is political bias in just about everything these days (the right is just as guilty as the left on this) not to mention planned obsolescence is a thing.....

Replacement rate data however is pure without bias.

But if you think about it- its the way automotive design has been headed for a while...sacrificing durability in the pursuit of fuel mileage/emissions......I can throw out a few examples ...

DPF filters/systems on 3/4 ton and larger diesel trucks- I have seen the empirical data that while they potentially cause more reliability problems down the road.... they are SIGNIFICANTLY better for the environment. I personally have made the choice to leave the DPF system intact on my F250.

Ford EcoBoost motors- the majority of F150s have gone to this motor away from traditional V8s - I have a good friend that works for a turbocharger manufacturer and .....lets just say alot of turbos get sold much earlier in the product life cycle then for which traditional V8s have major issues...

Anything with a battery- I was an early adopter on the Chevy Volt- (although it was more about the carpool lane sticker to be honest) that being said- up to 115K miles......it was a great car....until it wasnt .....my average fuel mileage was over 200MPG - but when the repair bill came when it finally broke...to the junkyard it went.....most modern cars will make it longer then that....
(fortunately I work from home now so I can own GT350Rs and F250s and not worry about fuel mileage)

Of course - modern vehicles are much more reliable then they were in the late 70s/ early 80s...so its all relative.....definitely not saying if you leave start/stop on you will need a new starter at 40K miles ....I choose to turn off stop/start because we typically keep our vehicles longer.....

 

[Gregs24]

Unfortunately I cant divulge internal data on a public forum.....we don't even share the exact numbers with our largest customers.....I am extremely involved in the data though and I will leave it at that......

As you well know, numbers in studies can often be influenced by the team running the study.... and unfortunately there is political bias in just about everything these days (the right is just as guilty as the left on this) not to mention planned obsolescence is a thing.....

Replacement rate data however is pure without bias.

But if you think about it- its the way automotive design has been headed for a while...sacrificing durability in the pursuit of fuel mileage/emissions......I can throw out a few examples ...

DPF filters/systems on 3/4 ton and larger diesel trucks- I have seen the empirical data that while they potentially cause more reliability problems down the road.... they are SIGNIFICANTLY better for the environment. I personally have made the choice to leave the DPF system intact on my F250.

Ford EcoBoost motors- the majority of F150s have gone to this motor away from traditional V8s - I have a good friend that works for a turbocharger manufacturer and .....lets just say alot of turbos get sold much earlier in the product life cycle then for which traditional V8s have major issues...

Anything with a battery- I was an early adopter on the Chevy Volt- (although it was more about the carpool lane sticker to be honest) that being said- up to 115K miles......it was a great car....until it wasnt .....my average fuel mileage was over 200MPG - but when the repair bill came when it finally broke...to the junkyard it went.....most modern cars will make it longer then that....
(fortunately I work from home now so I can own GT350Rs and F250s and not worry about fuel mileage)

Of course - modern vehicles are much more reliable then they were in the late 70s/ early 80s...so its all relative.....definitely not saying if you leave start/stop on you will need a new starter at 40K miles ....I choose to turn off stop/start because we typically keep our vehicles longer.....

Political bias is not such a big deal outside the US for sure (real or perceived)

 

[PBBLASTER]

If 'doing your own thinking' means believing Breitbart then you are in deep trouble. If you just want to see what matches your agenda then crack on, but it doesn't mean it is true. You do know John Nolte is an author not a scientist?

Simply not worth wasting time on you or anything you say - Goodbye - IGNORE

The 54 busted climate hoaxes listed in the Breitbart / Nolte article are hyperlinked to their original source. Nothing is fabricated in that article. You are ignoring me because you are not able to refute anything I have said.

 

[Upacurb]

Political bias is not such a big deal outside the US for sure (real or perceived)

Yeah unfortunately its gotten pretty bad here.....I'll probably not get this quote exactly right but as the late George Carlin once said- its getting all of us to fight with each other over just about anything so we are less likely to notice them getting away with all the money....

I would hate to be single today in America- it feels like I'd be disqualified from half the dating pool based on who I voted for lol

 

[Zig]

Produce that evidence please

Here is my evidence to the contrary

115925.pdf

Here is some data that confirms that starter motor wear is NOT an issue. (Plus ISG's are replacing starter motor systems for increased efficiency making the argument null and void anyway).

So opinion (without data) v evidence with research to back it up - you choose!

“Limit engine start cycles to approximately 10 total cycles per day, on average. Occasionally
cycling the starter system more than this will not cause damage unless it becomes a long-term
trend.”

 

[RaceRedder]

I work for the largest manufacturer of aftermarket alternators and starters in the world (the first half of my career worked for one of the largest manufactures of a certain emissions component in the world)

I can tell you the data is absolutely there that stop/ start starters fail at a higher rate then non stop/ start .

I can also tell you..... working with some of the best automotive engineers/ technicians in the North America.....lets just say I turn off the stop/ start and have taught my wife and oldest daughter to turn off the stop/ start every time I get in the car......

If people want to continue to be sheep and believe everything the nice man on the TV tells them.....I dont really care- believe what you want to believe.....just thank you for your future business.......

You don't even have to know the data or be an engineer to know that a car that starts and stops more than the other car is more likely to fail starting the car.

It's called USAGE!

 

[Zig]

A automobile is designed to accelerate and decelerate. They have been designed this way for over a hundred years.

If for say you were shopping for a used car and the choice between 2 identical cars , same cosmetic condition, same maintenance records , no visible differences. Totally the same ,and these are known facts. Mustang GT is the car.

Car 1 has 32,000 all hwy , driven by granny miles.
Car 2 has 29,000 all city , driven by 28 year old grandson. Cars are kept in the same garage.

Hypothetically , which car do you buy and why ?

Granny Crochet or Granny Clampett?

 

[Gr8ful]

Greg24
I have read all the comments. You make the most intelligent arguments and your responses are well thought out. I a 3 pedal GT and the S/S was not worked since day one. I took it to the dealer for the recall but was told Ford stopped the recall.
I'm glad to have a system that I can active when needed. Saving a $1000 is a plus.
Thanks for insight.

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