2021 MUSTANG (S650) - 7th Generation Mustang Confirmed

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Could this be the new S650 seat with a built-in ambient lighting?

Pretty sure that's the lincoln continental seats

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[amk91]

All-New Mustang Scheduled for 2021:

ALL-NEW MUSTANG SCHEDULED FOR 2021
In the automotive industry, most automakers generally design an all-new platform, give it a major refresh four years later, and then completely redesign it after 8 years. And that’s pretty much how Ford is managing the Mustang. The current generation Mustang went into production in 2014, and now Autoforecast Solutions is reporting the next generation Mustang will go into production in March of 2021 at Ford’s assembly plant in Flat Rock, Michigan. We expect to see a major refresh next year, but for all you suppliers in the audience who are on the lookout for future programs to bid on, here’s a 4-year heads-up on when Ford will completely re-do that car.

http://www.autoline.tv/journal/?p=50090

This irritates me, as I have turned my focus to the 7th gen since January and may end up waiting 3-4 years to see it be revealed, versus just 2 years (prototype leaks, educated guesses on final design).

Are they trying to reduce the investment cost on the program, now that Fields has left?

So, now it's March 2021........as a '22MY one assumes?

Sadly, it is. At this rate, it will return back to 2022 launch as '23MY and GM will beat them to the punch.

I actually can't imagine the facelift will be build for 4 years, that's seems pretty much. Also it would kind of clash with with the 7th Gen Camaro coming out in late 2021 too as far as we know :shrug:

Mercedes-Benz ended doing that with previous generation S-Class (W221), building it from mid-2009 through mid-2013, with the pre-facelift running from late 2005/2006 to spring 2009. This was however related to delays with the current S-Class, so it's not surprising.

GM is only doing refresh for MY2019, so I'd expect a new Camaro first Q1 2022 at latest. In early 2013, the new Camaro design was locked-in only a few months after the S550 in early December 2012, yet it came out over 1 year afterward.

No wonder they were able to engineer more into it, with the extra lead time. Hopefully they make the necessary accommodations, to ensure that the S650 is the leader in both sales and its engineering marvels. I can imagine starting MSRP becoming about $30k+ for an Ecoboost I4 and $38k+ for a GT ($44k+ for Premium).

I guess they could do a (very) mild refresh for the '20MY, as that would be it's 55th Anniversary. No new sheet metal, but perhaps a few tweaks to bumpers/lights. That's complete speculation on my part, and only going by the fact the S197 received a final (and similar) tweak for the '13/'14MY.

But it wouldn't surprise me if it soldiers on unchanged for 4 years.

Like the 2018 MY Explorer, we could see a minor update to that degree right?

U540 MY2011-15

MY2016-17

MY2018-2020

Having a secondary update for Q3 2019 arrival for MY 2020 would be the best choice, as I can see the S650 being pushed further back into Q4 2021 at this rate.

Confirmed:
D6R is the new platform for the S650 program
It will come 10 months later than previously reported.

Annoying how this is going. This car had to have entered development by late 2015, for them to have originally been targeting a May 2020 SOP date. Is the plan for it to be 66 months or 5 1/2 years from program start to sales launch?

I'm guessing Ford can still debut the Mustang Hybrid in CY2020 as they promised by showing the MY2022 car at the LA Auto Show around November before the production starts in March.

A March SOP would get the cars to dealers by May/June with an order guide in Dec 2020 and Scheduling Beginning in January 2021

That really sucks, as a February 2021 launch date, would've given them much more wiggle room and allow us to see the car earlier. We had 8-9 months to know the S550, before we could drive or buy it and plan accordingly. At this point, they can easily make us wait until NAIAS 2021, like they did with past Ford spring launches back in the day.

The new D6R modular platform with it's RWD, FWD and AWD capabilty and platform sharing applications for a wide variety of Ford and Lincoln vehicles has me very intrigued.
No doubt, it will composed primarily of high-strength aluminum components for weight reduction and will be highly configurable to satisfy the needs of Ford's global markets/consumer demands. Sounds like a winner.

For the upcoming S650 application, my wish is for a return to the basic overall dimensions of the first generation Mustang and of course, the retention of the hallmark long hood and short rear deck design language.
Hopefully, the S650 will be much shorter and more compact than the S550 and with the increased use of more aluminum body panels, will weigh in base form around 3400-3500 lbs.

Considering Ford's massive investment in / commitment to and success with EcoBoost technology, I suspect that all traditional I4, V6 and V8 engines available will be EcoBoost engines and that in a nod to tradition, the S650 generation's halo Mustang will powered by a 4.7L (289 cid) EcoBoost V8.

And then there is the hybrid, the true Mustang of the future...coming soon:ford:

Very well-written piece, as I myself feel this will be a true exercise in showmanship of Ford's engineering prowess. I can't imagine, but feeling that Ford Europe will have a greater hand in this car and the S650 having a much stronger global focus with recent successes.

The guy that did the S550 exterior design, hailed from the Cologne studios and did his initial design work for the car there back in 2009-10. In essence, the pre-facelift S550 was a European design, overseen and finessed by American managers until 2012, to ensure it fell within Mustang tradition.

http://www.autonews.com/article/201...20170721/OEM03/170729947&X-IgnoreUserAgent=1I

I doubt they'll get what they're wishing for, at least in regards to the S650. They always say this, but end up requiring roughly 2 years anyway for design freeze before SOP. It's a fat chance that they can delay design freeze for the S650 past December 2018, if they want a real contender against the next Camaro and Challenger, plus more upmarket competitors in global markets.

I dont think getting the leader of Ford Europes Design is a good thing. Just take a look at the new Fiesta, it's ugly as hell :doh:
At least the design for the 7th Gen should already be set, so this shouldn't affect it

One of Ford Europe's designers in Kemal Curic was responsible for the S550 ethos (exterior-wise), which forced him to move to the US in early 2011 after his design sketches had been chosen among other finalists.

I do agree with you, in saying that models designed during the late years of J Mays tenure, were some of the best. After he left, the results of anything frozen later in 2014/2015 have been hit (Raptor) or miss (P552 refresh,etc).

For a model due in March 2021, I highly doubt a final design has been chosen. At earliest, I'd expect them to do that 36 months ahead of SOP, so likely early 2018 at this point.

With the S550, it was about 29-31 months ahead of Job 1 in August 2014, right when the updated 2013MY cars went on sale in early 2012.

With the S197, it was roughly 33-35 months between final design approval in 2001 and Job 1 in September 2004.

With the SN-95, it was 36 months between final design selection in October 1990 and October 1993 SOP.

On the Fox, it was a mere 24 months (IIRC) between July 1976 and July 1978.

For the II it was about 16 months (Feb 1972 to mid-1973) and for the original at 18 months from September 1962 to March 1964.

More good info, thanks.

/When you first said D6R I felt it was something you couldn't make up.

Reading some of the articles posted regarding hybrid Mustangs it appears my wish for a V8+electric combo isn't happening. The base model could end up being a 1.5-liter Ecoboost + electric motor/s.

If the V8 is to remain one would think hanging an electric motor off it would ensure decent economy figures to help lower the CAFE average, and the performance would be electric, so to speak.

Looking forward to more information. This platform opens up many performance opportunities currently lacking in the Ford range: big hp AWD/RWD sedans, and there's no reason why there couldn't be an AWD Mustang butting heads with Nissan's GTR.

Ultimately with that much torque available from turbos and electric motors I think it's inevitable that we'll get an AWD Mustang.

I bet more than anything we will see the first AWD Mustang, with the S650. The S550 was a stepping stone with adding IRS, but the S650 will make the Mustang more of a well-rounded product and probably much less traditional. D6R is very much connected to the Lincoln brand, picking up where DEW98 left off.

 

[Topnotch]

First D6 for Lincoln ...the 2019/20 MKZ replacement
First D6 for Ford ... 2020 Explorer

 

[amk91]

Shockingly, the next Fusion/Mondeo (CD542) will stay on D8 aka CD4 (Hermosillo SOP April 2020). CD622 MKZ production begins in January 2020.

The next Explorer U625 should enter production on February 4, 2019, unless that has been pushed back too.

 

[Topnotch]

"Hackett also is said to be questioning a plan to build at least half a dozen future models, including replacements for the Ford Mustang and Explorer and Lincoln Continental, on a new flexible platform that is designed to accommodate both front- and rear-wheel-drive vehicles."

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/31/for...future-products-plants-countries-sources.html

 

[Cardude99]

So us that good or very bad?

 

[Topnotch]

Just got the "All Good"

 

[DrGrabster]

 

[Topnotch]

 

[Cardude99]

^ new take on a mustang gt lol. Seriously though what is that?

 

[mikeyjobu]

^ new take on a mustang gt lol. Seriously though what is that?

Looks like maybe a concept drawing for the "Mustang I" -- but the Mustang I was a two-seat, mid-engine, V-4 (yes -- a four cylinder in a "V" configuration), and didn't have a top? If it's not that, it at least reminds me of that early mid-engine car. The date on it is interesting though -- looks pretty late relative to the actual design and production of the first cars?

 

[Topnotch]

FYI:
The 2.3 Turbo from the RS/Ecoboost kinda
can get 400 hp and 413 lb-ft of torque with a tune...
Imagine that in a S650 with Hybrid AWD?

https://www.motor1.com/news/176078/mountune-ford-focus-rs-m400/

 

[Cardude99]

Wait wait wait an awd mustang??? Holy crap!!! That is really a great way to shake things up. I know that not everyone likes awd but it is a real performance advantage for the track. Right on.

One thing, please don't let a 4 banger be in the gt. It's fine for the lower model but the gt needs an 8.

 

[Topnotch]

Ten years in the making...
"The concept features an electric motor on the rear axle in addition to its hybrid propulsion system on the front axle. The rear motor provides all wheel drive capability, improved driving dynamics, and the fuel economy benefits of a full hybrid vehicle."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Reflex

 

[1320']

Wait wait wait an awd mustang??? Holy crap!!! That is really a great way to shake things up. I know that not everyone likes awd but it is a real performance advantage for the track. Right on.

One thing, please don't let a 4 banger be in the gt. It's fine for the lower model but the gt needs an 8.

Unlikely a S650 will have a V8 as a GT, which is meant for entry level "performance". My guess a 3.5EB will be the GT motor, with the 5.0 being up trimmed

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