Carzzi
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I'm curious whether the trunk opening will be any taller than the current model's miserly mail-slot. The downward detent of the trunklid gives me hope.
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Good question. I heard the actual opening was changed from S550. And, slightly larger.I'm curious whether the trunk opening will be any taller than the current model's miserly mail-slot. The downward detent of the trunklid gives me hope.
I agree with you on the "CASE STUDY". Back in 2010 I pre-ordered a 2011 -2Le camaro and when it arrived at the dealer and I took a test drive, loved the 6 speed (japan made manual gear box), the V6 engine and the outside sleek look, but hated the poor vision out of the car and the impossible to use the rear window -zero-view for parking. After I finished the test drive I realized that the car is not usable as a daily driver, cancelled the order and purchased a 2011 Mustang GT. BTW-I still like the outside look of the Camaro, but the Mustang is much safer and easier to drive plus usable as a daily driver in all seasons of the year.I disagree. There may be some who fall into this statement, but the vast remainder that mention Mustang resemblance? Well, the vast majority (including myself) did not go into S650 wanting, hoping or looking for Camaro resemblance. They just saw it, plain and simple. Plenty on this thread, and plenty on this forum overall.
I was on MT and C&D and Cscoops, and guess what I saw in all those comment sections? More Camaro comparisons. Do we we think everyone just wants to see Camaro in the new Mustang? I doubt it highly. And again, this is not to say everyone should see Camaro. Styling and thoughts on it are subjective. I, for one, am not telling you that you must see Camaro - you see what you see. And others see what they see - and what do plenty see? Camaro, which they just point out as matter of opinion. There's something to be said about general consensus, which means many, not "all" - and enough people see a Camaro resemblance in certain views, elements etc., it is what it is. Is it bad? Is it good?
I actually am ok with the Camaro in certain trims, I don't hate it like some do. But the "failure" of Camaro has a lot more to do with than just the styling. The Camaro was perfect case study where with GM, in many performance metrics, they objectively built a better platform and sportscar for the segment and many equivalent Mustang trims - but they didn't build a better car, which most can argue, the Mustang was a better car, a better package, even if it couldn't best the GM Alpha platform capabilities. Throw in some outward sighline and visibility challenges (played out to mention at this point) and, at least in Canada, pricing and positioning of Camaro trims levels to equivalent Mustang - Mustang always came out with a better value. Add in the intangible quality of the "Mustang" name, the "it" factor of the Mustang as a brand (which Ford themselves tapped into for Mach E, but that is a totally different discussion, right or wrong), which Camaro also ultimately never had to the same level, the story of why Camaro was never more popular than Mustang, goes way beyond the design of the car.
Looks way better in person than in photos. I like it.Dunno bout That pinched ass end.
I heard tremec in DH, is that a no tremec in GT?
Will the GT have the Tremec now? Presser last night wasn't quite clear. They mentioned Tremec for the Dark Horse, but "Tremec" was noticeably absent when mentioning "6-speed manual" for the GT.
GT keeps the MT82. Dark Horse gets the Tremec
Actually GT gets MT88. Not sure of what’s different MT82 vs MT88. I hope that it is length of throw and engagement detent feel.Lame.
How no one snap a photo from below the cars is beyond me.So I was standing next to the Dark Horse with a coworker who owns an S550 convertible. We were looking across at the GT convertible on the stand. Unsolicited, he says to me “actually the rear quarter looks closer to your car than mine”. Miscellaneous guy next to him chimes in “I kept telling them it looked like a Camaro”. Turns out this guy works at a supplier for parts on Coyote.
I would say that the most obvious difference is the Mustang has a much longer rear overhang. The rear tire is much further forward, leaving a shorter distance from driver to tire.
problem is the 3" worth of flat-black cladding in ADDITION to the diffuser. With their stupid ZigZag styling job they boxed themselves into a corner because the exhaust would stick WAY out otherwise if they carried the angle to it's terminus. So they had to bodge it like all the other cheap-rent SUVs out there with acres of black plastic. When did it become fashionable to copy Subaru of all people?
maybe borderline silly but I'll upvote that. I've never thought of debaging a car, but this one is getting cut off before it even leaves the dealer lot - not that I would buy this family of Mustang... This whole styling exercise just reeks of kids doing their first project without adult supervision, esp. without the needed "no, you moron you suck" level of feedback, lest they be accused of fostering a "hostile" workplace and where all ideas are "equal".A Pony Tail?