Gregs24
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Vanilla obviously !Ice cream, Greg, ice cream. Get with the program.
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Vanilla obviously !Ice cream, Greg, ice cream. Get with the program.
Far from "pedantic", it's about you deliberately acting like certain facts and realities don't matter. About you trying to avoid discussing them.You are just being pedantic now. Obviously they don't have to be plugged in, but that is how most are used around here.
blah blah blah. And once again you assert you know more about Norway than the Norwegians - do you realise just how silly that sounds ! Lets give it 12 months shall we and see what you have to say then Mr Genius of power infrastructure. Maybe you will have had a chance to publish your workings by thenFar from "pedantic", it's about you deliberately acting like certain facts and realities don't matter. About you trying to avoid discussing them.
Like how you're not telling us what PHEV you drive, when asked directly.
No one gives a fuck about "how most are used around here", that's not the topic of fucking discussion. A vehicle either must be plugged into the grid to work, or not. If it's optional, that's an "or not".
Most PHEVs are the lair's way of owning an "EV", which are really EVs in name only. The have tiny battery packs, tiny motors, and extremely limited range. Just enough to get a tax deduction. Like BMW's X5 xDrive 40e, with all of a 14 mile range on battery only. Or the Mercedes GLC 350e, with all of 22 mile range on battery only. Or the Volvo XC60 T8, with a gigantic range of 17 miles. Or the BMW X3 xDrive30e, with an 18 miles of battery range. Or the Porsche Panamera E-Hybrid, with a 14 mile battery range. Or the BMW 740e xDrive, with a 14 battery range.
They're regular ICE vehicles, built with baby EV additions, to get EV tax and licensing deductions. A shinning example is the 2020 Mercedes GLC 350e. It has a huge range of 22 EV miles, and it take 8 hours to recharge it with a 110 line.
The power PHEVs use is tiny, in comparison to a true EV. And it's completely unnecessary to actually plug them in. Completely optional.
So, to re-iterate, Norway cannot do 20% actual EVs. They do not have the electrical power production or distribution capacity.
and as we've also seen in TX, (illegal) influx of population is already over-stressing the electric, water and sewer infrastructure, irrespective of pathologically STUPID decisions in regards to weather hardening.They've done nothing to increase their production or distribution capabilities.
So....you were stupid enough to buy a vehicle that has been recalled in Europe, because they're burning to the ground during charging.blah blah blah. And once again you assert you know more about Norway than the Norwegians - do you realise just how silly that sounds ! Lets give it 12 months shall we and see what you have to say then Mr Genius of power infrastructure. Maybe you will have had a chance to publish your workings by then
We have a Ford Kuga (Escape) PHEV (35 mile electric range)
Those PHEV cars you quote are pretty old and most have been replaced. For example Europe has the BMW X5 45e now with a 54 mile range and the Volvo you mention now has a 33 mile range.
Can't help your poxy 110v infrastructure - we run at 240v in the civilised world
Hate to say it but you are talking complete bol***ks. Norway is, and has been, a nett exporter of electricity for the last 30 years.They've done nothing to increase their production or distribution capabilities.
Yeah that makes me pretty stupid. Mustangs never get recalled for anything dangerous - oh hang on .....So....you were stupid enough to buy a vehicle that has been recalled in Europe, because they're burning to the ground during charging.
Ah the wise old man speaks ! You have no idea how old I am and I'm sure pleased I'm no son of yours !One day son.
Nothing in that link says they're a "net exporter". And I don't think you know what that means.Hate to say it but you are talking complete bol***ks. Norway is, and has been, a nett exporter of electricity for the last 30 years.
Norway - At the end of 2020, about 6.2 TWh of new production capacity was under construction
Electricity production - Energifakta Norge
If you read it properly you will find it does. Norway produces more electricity than it needs and sells it to other countries - pretty simple. They currently have around 13% surplus production per year.Nothing in that link says they're a "net exporter". And I don't think you know what that means.
A 10% increase (to use round numbers) in EVs in Norway represents 2.8 million more EVs on their electrical grid. If it averages 50Kw to charge each vehicle, and each of those 2.8 million vehicles need to be charged twice a week, that represents......add 4, carry the 9......
That's 14,560,000,000,000 watts, or 14.56 Twh. of additional electrical demand.
Norway has all of an additional 6.2 Twh under construction. Being "under construction" means they don't actually have that electrical production capacity yet. And based on the link you provided, they've had all of about 10 Twh of excess electrical capacity at the end of 2020.
So they currently do not have the electrical power production capacity to get to 20%.
And none of this, not one bit of it, even touches on the topic of electrical energy distribution.
oh come on, we've known since Spinal Tap all you need to do is turn it up to 11.And none of this, not one bit of it, even touches on the topic of electrical energy distribution.
IOW, about half as many cars as people. That's a good enough estimate for me.Oh and it is rubbish anyway because there are only 2.8 million cars in total in Norway
Let's just say it's easier to plan for a small population than for a much larger one.Plenty of capacity as you would expect from a country that is capable of detailed planning and implementation. I'm glad there are no Norwegians on here because your assumptions about what they are capable of are genuinely insulting.
It's important to note that EV acceptance in the USA (see below) is far from uniform. Note that it's the places with large cities where EV registrations are at their highest . . . and not to put too fine a point on it or anything, I wouldn't ever want to live in any true city . . . never mind San Fran, NYC, DC, or Chicago.By Shop Owner Staff on Feb 23, 2021
Electric vehicle (EV) registrations in the U.S. in 2020 reached record market share of 1.8%, demonstrating increased consumer interest for electric vehicles, according to new analysis from IHS Markit, a world leader in information, analytics and solutions. December 2020 also represented the highest monthly share for EV new registrations, at 2.5% of the industry – a record monthly level since IHS Markit began tracking new vehicle registration data by fuel type. For the purposes of this analysis, EVs reflect those vehicles only powered by electricity and no other power source.
While overall registration volumes were down across the industry for the year due to COVID-19 impacts, the fact that EVs experienced such increased share indicates rising consumer acceptance of EVs. In fact, from a retail perspective, EVs accounted for 2.8% of new vehicle registrations in December, according to the analysis, more than tripling EV retail share three years ago. This rising EV acceptance coincides with recent OEM announcements of substantial investments in electrification.
From a regional perspective, EV market share is highest in the Western Region, where 4.8% of all new vehicles registered are electric vehicles. The San Francisco DMA’s EV share of 11% far exceeds that of any other major Designated Market Area (DMA) in the Western Region. EV market share is 1.6% in the Northeast, the second highest region on this metric, and the New York City DMA’s share of 2% is driving the Northeast. In the Southeast, just 1.1% of 2020 new vehicle registrations were electric vehicles, and the Washington, D.C., DMA is leading the way at 2.5% during the same time period. The Southwest Region EV share was just .9% in 2020, while Austin was the top DMA with a 2.1% EV market share. Lastly, the Midwest region had the smallest EV market share in 2020 at just .8%. Predictably, Chicago led all other Midwest DMAs with a 1.5% EV market share.
Possibly, but everything is proportional. Maybe population density is more realistic as a arbiter as it would probably be more difficult to provide for a small population in a big area?Let's just say it's easier to plan for a small population than for a much larger one.
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extremely affluent areas where 'virtue signaling' is looked upon as a desirable social good. Break it down by household income, miles traveled per year, total cars owned by household, and political affiliation and I think you'll find it is HEAVILY skewed in one direction.Note that it's the places with large cities where EV registrations are at their highest