Anyone regrats their DH purchase?

[Klipshpoke]

You guys crack me up.

I’m gonna try not to be offensive here, so keep that in mind when reading this. But it’s difficult to say what I think needs to be said without being a bit blunt.

First off, if it’s broke then get it fixed.

This is a drivers’s car, meant to be told firmly what to do without parsing every nuance of throttle response in one mode or another. Put the darn thing in track mode and leave it there. Modulate the throttle a bit if a LEO gets right behind you but otherwise leave it alone.

Vacuum readings? Vacuum readings? Are you kidding? I swear I was largely unaware my DHs even have a vacuum gauge! Under everyday circumstances I’d say it’s just there for the coolness factor. About as useful as mammary glands on a boar hog. Come on…

They‘re y’all’s cars and money, so do as you see fit. But I honestly think a lot of folks would be better off selling the DH and getting a regular GT that they could just lollygag around in but still look and sound good. Or alternatively give your DH the beans at every opportunity instead of droning on about how bad it is and what you don’t like about it.

Just one hard core old timer’s opinion and worth exactly what you just paid me for it.

Ive yet to check out the vacuums gauge. Probably never will

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[hoodscoops]

Attached are 8 pictures of my 2025 Vapor Blue Dark Horse w/o Handling Package. It was ordered with the "Hood Stripe Delete". I installed the Anderson Composites Carbon Fiber Integrated Rear Ducktail Spoiler painted to match the body color. I had the door side mirror caps painted in body color. The Anderson Composite Integrated Spoiler fit better than the factory rear trunk lid component supporting the factory wing spoiler.

Are those Mach 1 HP wheels? And did it require new TPMS sensors?

 

[Ewags81]

Are those Mach 1 HP wheels?

are you sure that you own a dark horse? those are factory wheels. might have been mistaken they kind of look like sve.

 

[mwbgxp]

You have excellent eyesight and are very perceptive. They are 2021 Mach 1 Non-Handling Pack Optional Y Spoke wheels. They were a takeoff from my 2021 Mach 1 which I sold after it was repaired from a bad rear end collision. I mounted Continental Extreme Contact DWS 06 Plus Ultra High-Performance All-Season tires in the standard factory sizes on the 2021 Y spoke wheels.

I kept the factory 2025 DH wheels with their summer Pirelli tires. Yes, I had to switch the TPMS sensors to the 433 MHZ type used on the 2024/2025 cars. Externally, the 2021 TPMS sensors and the 2025 TPMS sensors are exactly alike but the 2025 car cannot read a signal from the 315 MHZ 2021 TPMS sensors. However, other than that, the 2021 Mach 1 wheels are a perfect fit. The 2021 wheels have more gloss than the 2025 wheels.

P.S. When I first got the 2021 Mach 1 in March 2021, I took off the Factory optional Y Spoke wheels with their summer performance tires and mounted All Season tires on a set of factory Mach 1 Base Five spoke wheels which were on the car when I sold it. Therefore, the condition of the 2021 Y spokes were nearly new when I mounted them on the DH.

 

[Ewags81]

give your DH the beans at every opportunity instead of droning on about how bad it is

yes

 

[Jonyxz]

Modern V8✅️
Great manual transmission✅️
Excellent handling✅️

This is not the car I needed but its definitely the car I wanted.

Some day I'll get a more practical and quick EV(Ioniq 5 N) but not yet, not ready.

 

[Aegir]

 

[hoodscoops]

Modern V8✅️
Great manual transmission✅️
Excellent handling X

This is not the car I needed but its definitely the car I wanted.

Some day I'll get a more practical and quick EV(Ioniq 5 N) but not yet, not ready.

fix it for you.. but thats for another thread

 

[roadpilot]

You’re clearly unhappy, I’ll give you $500.00 cash for your Dark Horse, straight up.

Look at the various threads he's started. He's just a troll.

 

[Jonyxz]

fix it for you.. but thats for another thread

No need to fix for me. Not sure the HP makes a huge difference but mine is buttoned up. Had a g80 M3 before this and no regrets handling wise.

 

[hoodscoops]

You’re clearly unhappy, I’ll give you $500.00 cash for your Dark Horse, straight up.

Deal bro.. come down by The Bronx. Car and keys ready for you.

 

[blong7699]

Even though OP is a troll… I was definitely feeling a little down about my 2024 Dark Horse, that is until I decided to sell it to a TOYOTA dealership for $10K more than what I owed on it! It was pretty clear to me at that point that this vehicle is not depreciating at the same rate that people claim it is. My vehicle which was a white dark horse with PPF and PPF black on the roof definitely made me money in the bank. It had 2000 miles on it and I only had it for eight months. So I didn’t mean to stick my nose in everybody’s business, but to those of you saying that dark horses depreciate quicker than any other Ford Mustang… My impression & point of view is that you are simply wrong assuming that you didn’t pay the absurd dealer markup on your vehicle (I did not and refused to do so)! My DH wasn’t even a premium, and for those discerning readers… my $10K over what was owed was $8K in my pocket!!!

 

[keithwalton]

I'll keep my reply to the point ...

When i joined this forum (after ordering my car) there was quite a few comments / complaints about the throttle response and how it was sluggish and lazy.
With people recommending 'throttle commanders' that alter the throttle response curve.

This was not my first impression when in normal and sport mode but in slippery mode it was and thats what you want.

When the weather finally warmed up and dried out i thought i'd try track mode to see if that was the spark that had been missing only to find it lazy and lack luster. I certainly did not expect a car to slow down when you put it into a more aggressive mode.

Being an automotive powertrain engineer i ran a few quick experiments and shared what i did on here so others could do similar and contribute.
There was a chance that my car had the wrong throttle map but seems others are having the same experience.

There are many nuances to throttle control on a drive by wire system that is significantly different to mechanical linkage throttles.

There is the throttle curve (including range) where pedal position translates to torque demand.
Sportier modes tend to start lower (more engine braking) and have a steeper ramp initial ramp upto around 90% torque demand and then a gentle tail off for the final section.

This means if someone only half presses the throttle it feels fast, and there is fine control in the last half of the pedal to balance the car.

The other part is the response to step input changes.
Sudden changes in throttle demand are damped in normal modes to make it less jerky, sportier modes reduce this damping and a track mode i'd expect there to be none but it felt more damped not less.

As previously mentioned i used to have a V10 M5, the power / torque curves are actually surprisingly similar it just rev's even higher. I'm not sure if that car had shorter gearing or not but it had far more initial punch to the point you had to brace yourself going full throttle in second else it would throw you back in your seat hard enough that you lift off a little bit of throttle.
That's the sort of adrenaline rush i was hoping for, guess i'll have to supercharge it to find out.

As for M2 no thanks not a fan of the looks but for ref my colleagues M240i that pulls harder / faster than the DH and it has over 100bhp less.

Edit - added the power and torque curves for the 3 cars mentioned, note you really feel that extra 100fb-lb's at 1500rpm

 

[kagemusha2662]

Even though OP is a troll… I was definitely feeling a little down about my 2024 Dark Horse, that is until I decided to sell it to a TOYOTA dealership for $10K more than what I owed on it! It was pretty clear to me at that point that this vehicle is not depreciating at the same rate that people claim it is. My vehicle which was a white dark horse with PPF and PPF black on the roof definitely made me money in the bank. It had 2000 miles on it and I only had it for eight months. So I didn’t mean to stick my nose in everybody’s business, but to those of you saying that dark horses depreciate quicker than any other Ford Mustang… My impression & point of view is that you are simply wrong assuming that you didn’t pay the absurd dealer markup on your vehicle (I did not and refused to do so)! My DH wasn’t even a premium, and for those discerning readers… my $10K over what was owed was $8K in my pocket!!!

what dealership? i'd be very curious because most dealerships I've checked with seem to low ball the KBB value

 

[young at heart]

When i joined this forum (after ordering my car) there was quite a few comments / complaints about the throttle response and how it was sluggish and lazy.
With people recommending 'throttle commanders' that alter the throttle response curve.

This was not my first impression when in normal and sport mode but in slippery mode it was and thats what you want.

When the weather finally warmed up and dried out i thought i'd try track mode to see if that was the spark that had been missing only to find it lazy and lack luster. I certainly did not expect a car to slow down when you put it into a more aggressive mode.

First let me say that my selective snipping of your message is not intended to alter your content but rather to foster a little brevity. While as a powertrain engineer I’m sure your conclusions are correct they seem to ignore the most obvious point, to wit: if you want to go faster, the foot pedal on the far right is designed to take care of that. Trust me, it works just fine. The car does not slow down in a more aggressive mode if you just give it the beans! For the life of me I don’t understand why this is such a difficult concept. I see no need to overthink or overanalyze this. Throttle mapping fools no one when you’re WFO.

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