New recall: water intrusion into BCM and connectors (25C43/25V546)

[GrabThatBlue]

I don't know how people can "only drive when it's dry".

Here where I live it's dry the whole day, and when I get the car out for a spin, it starts raining.

Can't control the weather.

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[Cz_Ziemniak]

Holy over reaction batman.

It's a recall for a POTENTIAL water seal leak, not an engine failure. I doubt most cars will ever have a problem.

Not saying it acceptable. But Jesus people.

Ford needs to get their shit together across the board, and I can't justify keeping a rolling computer on wheels around long term. I keep cars to keep, not sell.

This car is great, but I simply do not see it having the staying power of some older models, a sentiment thats shared with pretty much all the newer cars.

 

[GrabThatBlue]

Ford needs to get their shit together across the board, and I can't justify keeping a rolling computer on wheels around long term. I keep cars to keep, not sell.

This car is great, but I simply do not see it having the staying power of some older models, a sentiment thats shared with pretty much all the newer cars.

You thought this car wasn't a rolling computer when you decided to buy one?

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

You thought this car wasn't a rolling computer when you decided to buy one?

I was holding out hope that this one would be a little better than the rest of the new cars. No turbos, good engine, no automatic. The whole point of this car was for it to be trouble free fun for a long time, and a good GT car.

That sentiment was misplaced. I knew it was a rolling computer, but it was the best of the modern cars as far as being pure. Nothing else is really out there with this simple setup. If nothing else, gen four coyotes will be around for a long time.

I wanted a new car, but its just not realistic anymore unless you only keep them for a few years before trading.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Ford needs to get their shit together across the board, and I can't justify keeping a rolling computer on wheels around long term. I keep cars to keep, not sell.

This car is great, but I simply do not see it having the staying power of some older models, a sentiment thats shared with pretty much all the newer cars.

This recall isn't about it being a "rolling computer". Its about a water leak. But if tech is giving you this much anxiety, then yeah, probably a good idea to sell it and move on.

 

[GrabThatBlue]

I was holding out hope that this one would be a little better than the rest of the new cars. No turbos, good engine, no automatic. The whole point of this car was for it to be trouble free fun for a long time, and a good GT car.

That sentiment was misplaced. I knew it was a rolling computer, but it was the best of the modern cars as far as being pure. Nothing else is really out there with this simple setup. If nothing else, gen four coyotes will be around for a long time.

I wanted a new car, but its just not realistic anymore unless you only keep them for a few years before trading.

You do understand that the recall has nothing to do with bad computers right?

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

You do understand that the recall has nothing to do with bad computers right?

Sure it does. If water lands on the BCM, it could cause a rash of issues. Ford QC is a mess, and I wouldn't be surprised if other issues present themselves in 10 years.

On a 25 year old SAAB or Porsche or something, not that huge of an issue. I've individually soldered cracked silver solder spots on a board. On a modern car, nah man.

I simply have no faith in the electronics in these cars. As something I want to keep long term, its dead in the water to me.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Sure it does. If water lands on the BCM, it could cause a rash of issues. Ford QC is a mess, and I wouldn't be surprised if other issues present themselves in 10 years.

On a 25 year old SAAB or Porsche or something, not that huge of an issue. I've individually soldered cracked silver solder spots on a board. On a modern car, nah man.

I simply have no faith in the electronics in these cars. As something I want to keep long term, its dead in the water to me.

Why would you do any of that yourself though? It's a warranty repair. If the BCM is damaged they will replace it and seal the leak. If your worried about what might happen to the electronics in 10 years, then you shouldn't have bought a modern car. It's a variable we all have accept when we buy new now.

 

[GrabThatBlue]

Sure it does. If water lands on the BCM, it could cause a rash of issues. Ford QC is a mess, and I wouldn't be surprised if other issues present themselves in 10 years.

On a 25 year old SAAB or Porsche or something, not that huge of an issue. I've individually soldered cracked silver solder spots on a board. On a modern car, nah man.

I simply have no faith in the electronics in these cars. As something I want to keep long term, its dead in the water to me.

The issue has nothing to do with computers. It's a leak in the design of the chassis or rubbers, or tunnels or funnels, that brings water to the BCM.

Your theory doesn't make any sense and you know that too. But for some reason, you just want to give the fault to computers "because it just sound good to rant on something modern".

What are you going to do next shen buying a classic car that also has a water leak that can mess up some other parts on the car that don't tolerate a lot of water?

Rant on classic cars and buy a camel instead?

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

The issue has nothing to do with computers. It's a leak in the design of the chassis or rubbers, or tunnels or funnels, that brings water to the BCM.

Your theory doesn't make any sense and you know that too. But for some reason, you just want to give the fault to computers "because it just sound good to rant on something modern".

What are you going to do next shen buying a classic car that also has a water leak that can mess up the intake for example.

Rant on classic cars and buy a camel instead?

--> So you're telling me a major Ford QA oversight that could fry a BCM (an computer) from water intrusion.... is not a computer issue? Sounds like a potential issue with the computers to me.

--> What about my theory doesn't make sense? How many people have already had issues with the current Sync 4? A, for lack of better words, brand new car has people complaining that they had to reboot the car because of a black screen, slow updates, glitchy interface, etc etc. I personally know a dude whos last gen bullitt got bricked after all the screens died. No tach, no speedo, nothing. Are you really trying to tell me that in 10 or 15 years there wont be issues? Cmon man.

--> I have nothing against modern things. I have everything against the overreach of technology with unnecessary bs. We are well past the point of appreciable gains when it comes to the garbage being shoved down our throats. I do not want to deal with a giant screen going across half the dashboard when it decides to die in a decade, no matter how nice it is to use. If you cannot see this as a very real possibility for why someone doesn't want to deal with this car, then you're being intentionally obtuse.

--> I'll probably buy a hood for my car if that happens, because this is such a non issue. I'm not fording rivers.

--> If something breaks, I can fix it, and typically quite easily. I daily'd a 60's and a 70's car for two years recently, neither were particularly great examples (sorta ratty exterior, rough around the edges), and neither stranded me because they were mechanically sorted. I never even had to touch the Jag, besides replacing a steering bushing. Clutch was def low, but it was also 60 years old, so I'm not surprised. Im not saying I'm getting into a 60's car as a replacement, but I'm certainly going to look for something thats a lot more simple underneath.

Both those cars I drove had staying power, and proved to me that just because its old doesn't mean it has to be an uncomfortable, difficult to live with, haphazard trainwreck.

Again, if you cannot understand why the overcomplication of modern ECU's, computers, and 50 miles of wiring is a real concern for people, then you are being obtuse and simply blindly defending something because you own it.

There's nothing wrong with liking the s650. Hell, I love it myself. But I can't own it in good faith. Its just not worth it for me. Shame, because I really liked the car.

 

[GrabThatBlue]

--> So you're telling me a major Ford QA oversight that could fry a BCM (an computer) from water intrusion.... is not a computer issue? Sounds like a potential issue with the computers to me.

--> What about my theory doesn't make sense? How many people have already had issues with the current Sync 4? A, for lack of better words, brand new car has people complaining that they had to reboot the car because of a black screen, slow updates, glitchy interface, etc etc. I personally know a dude whos last gen bullitt got bricked after all the screens died. No tach, no speedo, nothing. Are you really trying to tell me that in 10 or 15 years there wont be issues? Cmon man.

--> I have nothing against modern things. I have everything against the overreach of technology with unnecessary bs. We are well past the point of appreciable gains when it comes to the garbage being shoved down our throats. I do not want to deal with a giant screen going across half the dashboard when it decides to die in a decade, no matter how nice it is to use. If you cannot see this as a very real possibility for why someone doesn't want to deal with this car, then you're being intentionally obtuse.

--> I'll probably buy a hood for my car if that happens, because this is such a non issue. I'm not fording rivers.

--> If something breaks, I can fix it, and typically quite easily. I daily'd a 60's and a 70's car for two years recently, neither were particularly great examples (sorta ratty exterior, rough around the edges), and neither stranded me because they were mechanically sorted. I never even had to touch the Jag, besides replacing a steering bushing. Clutch was def low, but it was also 60 years old, so I'm not surprised. Im not saying I'm getting into a 60's car as a replacement, but I'm certainly going to look for something thats a lot more simple underneath.

Both those cars I drove had staying power, and proved to me that just because its old doesn't mean it has to be an uncomfortable, difficult to live with, haphazard trainwreck.

Again, if you cannot understand why the overcomplication of modern ECU's, computers, and 50 miles of wiring is a real concern for people, then you are being obtuse and simply blindly defending something because you own it.

There's nothing wrong with liking the s650. Hell, I love it myself. But I can't own it in good faith. Its just not worth it for me. Shame, because I really liked the car.

Swimming with your laptop in the ocean and damaging your laptop is not a computer issue.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

You know exactly the point I am making, but instead you intentionally choose to get hung up by me stating "its a computer issue" with a retort that essentially boils down to "nuh uh, its actually a Ford QA issue with shitty build quality that can lead to computer issues, not an issue with the computer itself".

There are enough glitches with the current sync 4 that I cannot see these getting better down the line. And whats to stop Ford from stopping support alltogether? Its already a problem elsewhere.

My point is that I have zero faith in the electronics within these cars if Ford cannot even seal a panel from leaking water in. Its 2025....

 

[AZ_Ryan]

You know exactly the point I am making, but instead you intentionally choose to get hung up by me stating "its a computer issue" with a retort that essentially boils down to "nuh uh, its actually a Ford QA issue with shitty build quality that can lead to computer issues, not an issue with the computer itself".

There are enough glitches with the current sync 4 that I cannot see these getting better down the line. And whats to stop Ford from stopping support alltogether? Its already a problem elsewhere.

My point is that I have zero faith in the electronics within these cars if Ford cannot even seal a panel from leaking water in. Its 2025....

The point he's trying to make is that you are conflating a water leak into other issues that only hypothetically exist. It's obvious from your comments that you had trust issues with the electronic elements of these cars well before the recall and you're regretting the purchase.

Hopefully you can find a good home for your S650 and enjoy something older that gives you more mental security.

 

[DarkMatterGrey]

I am confused. There's two recalls: 1) water intrusion corroding BCM's affecting a lot of cars including my late 2023 '24 MY GT, and 2) LED driver control module failure affecting Mustangs (and other cars) built between March and July 2025. I thought the stop sale was for the LED driver control module failure not BCM corrosion.

My neighbor was trying to buy a 25 MY before the 0% APR ended Sept 2. All the new cars in our area (metro Phoenix, AZ, USA) in their budget were being held because of the LED, not the BCM, issue.

 

[Cz_Ziemniak]

The point he's trying to make is that you are conflating a water leak into other issues that only hypothetically exist. It's obvious from your comments you had an trust issues with the electronic elements of these cars well before the recall and are regretting you purchase.

Hopefully you can find a good home for your S650 and enjoy something older that gives you more mental security.

Yeh. Like stated, I'll still be lurking here with wiring diagrams and service procedures, etc etc.

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