May 2025 Mustang Sales Figures

[Zig]

Mmmm, it's a little more complicated than just "How much did the price go up".

Think of it like throwing a stone into a pond with ripples that spread out from the point of impact.

• Tariffs in place on assembled/finished products, as well as raw materials, result in increased production costs which are then passed to the consumer so as not to affect the balance sheet which is all Shareholders care about. "Ford" is beholden to the shareholders as much, if not more so, than the CEO and the Board.
  
  
• Since the consumer now has to deal with increased costs of what is, essentially, the same car it was a year ago, a lot of people tend to either buy something else entirely or choose not to buy anything until they are more stable in these "uncertain economic times".
  
  
• Less people purchasing a product means that company doesn't need to maintain as large a workforce to produce said product. Let's say 1 or 2 lines a day instead of 3 full shifts. People get laid off.
  • Less people working for that company show up on a balance sheet as "increased profits" however that is actually a reduction in OpEx. Unfortunately this looks good for a quarter or two until companies start to realizse that the decrease in opex is offset by the decrease in revenue.

• Less people working means less disposable income for individuals or families. People tend to be risk averse and so aren't making large purchases (houses) or discretionary purchases (fun stuff like cars etc).

I'm sure there are other factors involved that I'm unaware of. And the example above is just one company. Now what about people in the Computer and Tech industry? Stuff coming from china is still up in the air for costs. What about other people at dealerships selling german cars? Not many people buying when they have to pay the markup so less people working there too. Scale this out across all kinds of different industries.

“Scale this out across all kinds of different industries.” Or is it we’d rather set aside our regulation in the name of their efficiencies? Why are imports so cheap? Our laws or their efficiencies?

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[drive_55_not]

Mmmm, it's a little more complicated than just "How much did the price go up".

Think of it like throwing a stone into a pond with ripples that spread out from the point of impact.

• Tariffs in place on assembled/finished products, as well as raw materials, result in increased production costs which are then passed to the consumer so as not to affect the balance sheet which is all Shareholders care about. "Ford" is beholden to the shareholders as much, if not more so, than the CEO and the Board.
  
  
• Since the consumer now has to deal with increased costs of what is, essentially, the same car it was a year ago, a lot of people tend to either buy something else entirely or choose not to buy anything until they are more stable in these "uncertain economic times".
  
  
• Less people purchasing a product means that company doesn't need to maintain as large a workforce to produce said product. Let's say 1 or 2 lines a day instead of 3 full shifts. People get laid off.
  • Less people working for that company show up on a balance sheet as "increased profits" however that is actually a reduction in OpEx. Unfortunately this looks good for a quarter or two until companies start to realizse that the decrease in opex is offset by the decrease in revenue.

• Less people working means less disposable income for individuals or families. People tend to be risk averse and so aren't making large purchases (houses) or discretionary purchases (fun stuff like cars etc).

I'm sure there are other factors involved that I'm unaware of. And the example above is just one company. Now what about people in the Computer and Tech industry? Stuff coming from china is still up in the air for costs. What about other people at dealerships selling german cars? Not many people buying when they have to pay the markup so less people working there too. Scale this out across all kinds of different industries.

Since you are in Canada, and reflecting back on an earlier thread from one of your country men on a Dark Horse price that was $10grand cheaper than a US version,

Let's compare Mustang pricing again ...

Similar 2025 Mustang GT 301A, M6, Active Exhaust

Canadian Mustang -- MSRP $60,270 CAD ... Google sez that's $44,100 USD

Similar US Mustang -- $52,245 USD ...

$8,000 USD difference, WTF ???



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[Zig]

I'm not arguing that. You are correct, but there are also a lot of factors that go into that as well, which is my point. There are a lot of variables that affect the overall value of a product, and the sales numbers are only one of them.

Agreed, at the risk of referencing another brand, it aint like they sell a boatload (relatively speaking) of Bugatti’s.

 

[MCS]

Since you are in Canada, and reflecting back on an earlier thread from one of your country men on a Dark Horse price that was $10grand cheaper than a US version,

Let's compare Mustang pricing again ...

Similar 2025 Mustang GT 301A, M6, Active Exhaust

Canadian Mustang -- MSRP $60,270 CAD ... Google sez that's $44,100 USD

Similar US Mustang -- $52,245 USD ...

$8,000 USD difference, WTF ???

Not sure there is a question here? I'm not an economist however from a high level I do know that economics involve a lot more than just "what you see".

Let's travel down the rabbit hole and do a comparison on 2 Johns.

John Smith (of the Houston, Texas Smiths)
John Smith (of the Toronto, Ontario Smiths).

Both of the guys named John work in Information Technology as a "Telecommunications Specialist".

The guy in Canada makes $61,978 CAD a year
- This is equal to $45,380.29 USD

The guy in the USA makes $64,702 USD a year
- This is equal to $88,366.57 CAD

Doing the same job there is a delta of $19,321.71 USD ($26,388.57 CAD). This is driven by the locations in which they work, the average salary for like minded jobs etc.

"Yes Michael, but those are arbitrary numbers". Actually, they are based on avg salary lookups of a Telecommunications Specialist in Houston and in Toronto areas.

"Yes Michael, but how does that really matter in the grand scheme of things? It's a few bucks". Mmmmm, not really. Those few dollars have to be used to purchase other things. Let's take housing for example.

Avg cost of 3 bedroom in Houston Texas? $320199 USD ($437310.84 CAD)
Avg cost of 3 bedroom in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area)? $1,107,463 ($810884.41 USD)

That seems like a pretty big delta; especially when you compare it against the average income for that Canadian John Smith.

Then add food, insurance, gas, netflix, mobile phones and on and on and on.

You price your products so that the targeted demographic can actually afford to purchase your goods.

 

[drive_55_not]

Not sure there is a question here? I'm not an economist however from a high level I do know that economics involve a lot more than just "what you see".

Let's travel down the rabbit hole and do a comparison on 2 Johns.

John Smith (of the Houston, Texas Smiths)
John Smith (of the Toronto, Ontario Smiths).

Both of the guys named John work in Information Technology as a "Telecommunications Specialist".

The guy in Canada makes $61,978 CAD a year
- This is equal to $45,380.29 USD

The guy in the USA makes $64,702 USD a year
- This is equal to $88,366.57 CAD

Doing the same job there is a delta of $19,321.71 USD ($26,388.57 CAD). This is driven by the locations in which they work, the average salary for like minded jobs etc.

"Yes Michael, but those are arbitrary numbers". Actually, they are based on avg salary lookups of a Telecommunications Specialist in Houston and in Toronto areas.

"Yes Michael, but how does that really matter in the grand scheme of things? It's a few bucks". Mmmmm, not really. Those few dollars have to be used to purchase other things. Let's take housing for example.

Avg cost of 3 bedroom in Houston Texas? $320199 USD ($437310.84 CAD)
Avg cost of 3 bedroom in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area)? $1,107,463 ($810884.41 USD)

That seems like a pretty big delta; especially when you compare it against the average income for that Canadian John Smith.

Then add food, insurance, gas, netflix, mobile phones and on and on and on.

You price your products so that the targeted demographic can actually afford to purchase your goods.

Fairly certain the price difference between the US cars and Canadian car is from tariffs,

I've been looking for a new steel mountain bike, found a bespoke Canadian made bike for $1800, A similar bike in the US is $3400.

Mind Boggling how much more stuff cost US ....



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[robvas]

Fairly certain the price difference between the US cars and Canadian car is from tariffs,

 

[Skye]

https://s205.q4cdn.com/882619693/files/doc_financials/2025/q1/Ford-Q1-2025-Earnings-Presentation.pdf

This is Ford's latest report. It includes units sold, income, margins and projected costs of tariffs.

 

[Upacurb]

If Ford sales are up 16% and Mustang sales are down 3% that’s bad….. not good at all.

 

[robvas]

If Ford sales are up 16% and Mustang sales are down 3% that’s bad….. not good at all.

No, they're secretly making tons of money on the Mustang. Haven't you read this thread?

 

[Mustang1987]

Ford Motor Company sales increased 16 percent to 220,959 units during May 2025 in the United States.

• Ford Mustang sales decreased 3.17 percent to 5,010 units
• Ford Mustang Mach-E sales increased 11.02 percent to 4,724 units

4,229 units behind last year

You're talking about 100 cars less than the same time last year lol

I notice you weren't the one that posted the sales from last month that were 300 more than the year before.

You're a Dodge fan. I came across posts from you other places, so that's what this is all about this whole time.

 

[robvas]

You're talking about 100 cars less than the same time last year lol

164. But I already said, "They are only down 3% this month, which seems like no big deal. But they are down 20% this year compared to last year."

You're a Dodge fan.

What?

I don't own a single Dodge product and haven't since a 1997 Neon.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Oh good, another sales thread. Im sure this will go differently than the others.

 

[Alan Applegate]

I'm not surprised at the eMustang sales, considering the huge discounts involved.

 

[Zig]

https://s205.q4cdn.com/882619693/files/doc_financials/2025/q1/Ford-Q1-2025-Earnings-Presentation.pdf

This is Ford's latest report. It includes units sold, income, margins and projected costs of tariffs.

So you gonna make us read it instead of just giving the summary lol

 

[MAT1955]

@AzkAdAsh ..... YES - as my statistics professor used to say - there are lies,, damned lies and then there are statistics!

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