Rant after driving a M2 and M3

[Q6543]

This thread hasn’t even begun to entertain the thought that….. the mustang is also going away.

Not saying it will happen, but no one knows the future.

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[infinitemberstang]

Live for the moment and for today.

 

[Tuxonspeed]

I have an interesting perspective. Within the last year I’ve owned a g80 M3 Comp, g87 M2 (auto) and now the Dark Horse with the tremec.

they are all amazing cars. I sold my m3 to get the m2 and unfortunately got rear ended in the m2, which prompted the dark horse purchase.

IMO the g80 is in a different bracket since it’s a 4 door sedan. I wouldn’t say it’s in the same league as the m2 and DH.

the M2 handles better stock but the DH is more fun and engaging to drive. The mods I’ve done to my DH make it very comparable to how the m2 handles. I should note that my DH isn’t a hp car.

For about $5k my m2 was pushing about 700hp and was crazy fast. With the DH I have to spend 10k to get those kind of numbers.

even though it seems like ford copied the m2 interior, I do enjoy the interior in my DH more.

 

[robvas]

Alright, buckle up because we're about to dive into why the Mustang Dark Horse stick shift blows the M2 and M3 out of the water.

Then there’s the engine. Forget about waiting for turbos to spool up – the Mustang's naturally aspirated V8 delivers instant power right off the line. The torque is there, ready to be exploited at low RPMs, making every acceleration smooth and immediate. Turbo lag? Never heard of her. The Dark Horse doesn’t need a wait-and-see approach; it’s all go, all the time.

In summary, the 2024 Mustang Dark Horse offers unbeatable value for its price. It outperforms and outshines the more expensive M2 and M3 in almost every aspect.

Wave bye-bye!

 

[Polo08816]

Wave bye-bye!

The 2025 M2 also gets a power bump on top of the 2024 M2, but I wouldn't buy a car for the purpose of drag racing - it's literally one of the last important factors for me.

 

[roadpilot]

This thread hasn’t even begun to entertain the thought that….. the mustang is also going away.

Not saying it will happen, but no one knows the future.

EVERY vehicle is eventually going away, sunshine ...

 

[Mustang1987]

The price of the Mustang is up almost 27% since 2020 while the Corvette has increased 16%.

Why did you choose 2020? Why not pick 2018? Lol

GT mustang was $36k and Corvette was $55k. If you choose 2018, mustang hasn't gone up as much as Corvette.

 

[roadpilot]

For about $5k my m2 was pushing about 700hp and was crazy fast. With the DH I have to spend 10k to get those kind of numbers.

For $10K, you'd get WAY more than 700hp.

 

[Tuxonspeed]

For $10K, you'd get WAY more than 700hp.

Not really. Maybe another 100hp for double the cost

 

[Polo08816]

Why did you choose 2020? Why not pick 2018? Lol

GT mustang was $36k and Corvette was $55k. If you choose 2018, mustang hasn't gone up as much as Corvette.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what they were X years ago, the market price of a new C8 2LT Z51 (via a high volume dealer like Maculkin, Ciocca, etc.) is less than the market price of a 2025 Mustang DH Premium + Recaros and Handling Package (via Granger Ford).

This is probably part of the reason GM sells about as many Corvettes as Ford sells Mustangs in 2024:

https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/chevrolet/corvette

https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/ford/mustang

 

[Mustang1987]

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what they were X years ago, the market price of a new C8 2LT Z51 (via a high volume dealer like Maculkin, Ciocca, etc.) is less than the market price of a 2025 Mustang DH Premium + Recaros and Handling Package (via Granger Ford).

This is probably part of the reason GM sells about as many Corvettes as Ford sells Mustangs in 2024:

https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/chevrolet/corvette

https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/ford/mustang

The majority of mustang sales aren't dark horses, so that's not why at all lol It's because a buyer of a $35k car is more effected by the economy than a buyer of a $80k car. Everyone knows this.

 

[Polo08816]

The majority of mustang sales aren't dark horses, so that's not why at all lol It's because a buyer of a $35k car is more effected by the economy than a buyer of a $80k car. Everyone knows this.

You've, indirectly, demonstrated my point. If the the majority of Mustang sales are not DH sales, then that means for a $60k-$80k buyer, the Corvette is the preferred platform by a long shot.

If you look at the sales of Mustangs since 2015, it's a steady decrease to the current sales numbers. The opposite is generally true for the Corvette. It's long enough of a time period that the "economy" perspective is mitigated.

Either way, the Mustang DH is a great platform in the $45-55k range. Once you've entered the $60k range or higher, you're really competing with the M2 and Corvette for sales.

 

[Mustang1987]

You've, indirectly, demonstrated my point. If the the majority of Mustang sales are not DH sales, then that means for a $60k-$80k buyer, the Corvette is the preferred platform by a long shot.

If you look at the sales of Mustangs since 2015, it's a steady decrease to the current sales numbers. The opposite is generally true for the Corvette. It's long enough of a time period that the "economy" perspective is mitigated.

Either way, the Mustang DH is a great platform in the $45-55k range. Once you've entered the $60k range or higher, you're really competing with the M2 and Corvette for sales.

I didn't demonstrate your point. The top of the line mustang has never been the highest selling model... You know this so why even say this.

Are you really trying to say the economy doesn't matter when selling mustangs? You chose 2015 for a reason, and that's because that's when the s550 took off, so of course there will be a decline year after year. Why didn't you choose 2014? Or 2013? Or 2012?

 

[Q6543]

The economy is going bananas for a few years, also why prices are higher.

poor people have gotten the biggest income raises, and more of them buy mustangs than bmw’s or corvette’s… another contributing factor to the price push.

also I’m gonna have to dig around because I thought only M4 competition Xdrive had the sauce… G80 platform right?

the M2s I’ve seen were turds and most definitely couldn’t hang with a 10R80’car.

edit. Just got back from deep dive, crickets on any of these new M2s actually hitting a number.

 

[Radiant]

Mustangs and Corvettes have totally different target audiences. Again, see above.

Agreed. My Ecoboost convertible is my budget 430i M-Sport.

If Ford fell through on my order and I had to get a GT to option MagneRide, I would be cross-shopping the M440i and the S5. The Corvette looks cool, but it's a massive loss of practicality as far as a daily goes.

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