Whipple Calibration On Hold

[robvas]

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[Billycar11]

if roush is holding them back too everyone is in for a world of hurt
its honestly unacceptable you paid for a kit and tune they should not be able to hold it back ever.
if you put this on your car and cant get the tune its undrivable

 

[EgoBoost]

if roush is holding them back too everyone is in for a world of hurt
its honestly unacceptable you paid for a kit and tune they should not be able to hold it back ever.
if you put this on your car and cant get the tune its undrivable

as previously mentioned, Roush is not holding calibrations.

 

[System]

as previously mentioned, Roush is not holding calibrations.

Well, to be fair, Whipple wasn't either when this started. It was the FP/Whipple only. Within 5 days they also stopped. I emailed Roush to find out if they are also changing their tune (pun intended) on this but haven't heard back yet.

 

[Puddinpop]

Well, to be fair, Whipple wasn't either when this started. It was the FP/Whipple only. Within 5 days they also stopped. I emailed Roush to find out if they are also changing their tune (pun intended) on this but haven't heard back yet.

I doubt Roush is going to change the tune. I emailed them about a month ago about seeing if they were going to do tune updates/change kinda like Whipple was doing and they were pretty adamant about what you see is what you get. Now could other circumstances come up to make them change sure but this seems solely like a Whipple issue.

 

[MCS]

Looks like I’ll have to email Blackstock and see if they plan on calling everyone in for a revision. Mine was installed in April of this year. I’ve only put 3000Km on since then and it feels fine to me.

 

[System]

Roush responded to me this afternoon. No hold on either version of their kits...

 

[needforspeedirl]

Roush responded to me this afternoon. No hold on either version of their kits...

If you watch the posted video you can kind of deduce that of course there isn’t a hold on the Roush tuning because it’s not targeting as much timing as the Whipple tuning. Purely speculative of course. Wink wink.
Won’t matter in a couple months anyways. Once Lund gets their tuning figured out for boosted applications we’ll all be switching over to that anyway.

 

[Gojiras breath]

If you watch the posted video you can kind of deduce that of course there isn’t a hold on the Roush tuning because it’s not targeting as much timing as the Whipple tuning. Purely speculative of course. Wink wink.
Won’t matter in a couple months anyways. Once Lund gets their tuning figured out for boosted applications we’ll all be switching over to that anyway.

I could be wrong, but lund has to start with the loaded tune, then modify it? That's my understanding. Tuning is much more involved than what us simple folk can comprehend. It blows my mind how complicated it is.

 

[needforspeedirl]

I could be wrong, but lund has to start with the loaded tune, then modify it? That's my understanding. Tuning is much more involved than what us simple folk can comprehend. It blows my mind how complicated it is.

You’re right. They will establish a base tune and then send it out to the tuners to tweak it.

 

[robvas]

If you watch the posted video you can kind of deduce that of course there isn’t a hold on the Roush tuning because it’s not targeting as much timing as the Whipple tuning. Purely speculative of course. Wink wink.
Won’t matter in a couple months anyways. Once Lund gets their tuning figured out for boosted applications we’ll all be switching over to that anyway.

The whipple/roush tunes are very different as one only has a single throttle body

 

[Gojiras breath]

The whipple/roush tunes are very different as one only has a single throttle body

The issue is whipple allows 20 deg timing, roush allows 16 (ish). Some tuners say 20 is too much and unsafe. I think this was unknown until tuning got unlocked and people saw it. That's my opinion on the whole situation. It's purely speculation.

 

[needforspeedirl]

The whipple/roush tunes are very different as one only has a single throttle body

Are you a calibration engineer?
If not…
My experience with boosted engines say It has little to do with the intake systems at this boost level. You can only push so much fuel into an engine with the factory low side fuel pump. Neither of these kits supply a boost a pump or an additional low side fuel pump, just injectors and rails. The difference is one company seems to be targeting a higher spark advance and the other (Roush) is on the safer end as has been brought to light in this thread. The Whipple targets timing advance levels in the 19-22 range which is way too high for 93 octane. Allowing the knock sensors to control and ultimately pull back the timing will eventually lead to melted pistons under heavy boost loads. When an engine pulls timing due to low octane, the triggering knock event has already occurred and damage is possible depending on how significant the event is.
The proof is in the numbers. A Roush phase 2 and a Whipple stage 1 are advertised at 810 crank HP and both run similar 1/4 mile et’s, however, Roush is showing up on the interwebs with 30-60 less WHP on dynos. Notice how there aren’t many 60-130 numbers comparing the 2, just dyno runs? I wonder if that’s because they are similar. Until someone puts both blowers on the same car and runs them under the same conditions I guess we’ll never know for sure. In the end the Roush blower looks nicer and the Whipple seems to make more power with less heat when pushing past 1000 WHP. At those levels it makes more sense to me to run a centrifugal style since the vehicle will be used for racing and can benefit from the higher rpm HP numbers.

 

[MCS]

Hey @Paul's stable any word from your dealership on your FP kit? I'm about to call mine next week and ask them if a reivision is coming or not. I've got a service I'll do before she goes away for the winter so might as well get the black screen warranty, oil change and a new calibration while it's in the shop.

 

[Paul's stable]

Hey @Paul's stable any word from your dealership on your FP kit? I'm about to call mine next week and ask them if a reivision is coming or not. I've got a service I'll do before she goes away for the winter so might as well get the black screen warranty, oil change and a new calibration while it's in the shop.

Hello , I was just going to message you to see how your trip to the Dragons tail with your son went. As for my FP kit I texted them they said I'm on the list and should take 4 to 7 weeks same response I got last time. Have you received yours? I have been hearing about these screen recalls but I have not been contacted yet. It is so sad the time has come that we have to put our babies to sleep for the winter.

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