The Dark Horse's Pirelli P-Zero Trofeo RS tires look to be the first of their kind

[OppoLock]

Oh I get it, you’re not a fan of the base level sizes. Yeah that’s valid. I’m assuming they want these to be accessible dailies for all climates

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[zstanny]

Sorry, misread. Probably just gonna grumble when I swap to PS4s after the trofeo Rs are corded at 3K. Not quite good enough a driver to justify the performance diff vs the miles of smiles I'd get in exchange.

Yessir, that’s kind of what I implied by saying it adopts the same series as the Mach 1 (255/275 standard, 305/315 HP upgrade).

Bigger question is how the Trofeo RS compound stacks up to the Cup 2. One’s tried and true while the other’s relatively new. The fact that the other guy pointed that Porsche’s RS division is using this compound on their highest end models is super encouraging though.

As for the PZ4s I’m keeping an open mind. The PS4S is the goat of all-arounders but if the PZ4s stack up in the categories that matter—wet/dry handling characteristics and mechanical grip—then I think There’s nothing to worry about

 

[OppoLock]

Porsche tested the tire, but ended up going cup 2 on the production version if i recall correctly. In the tests I have seen, the Trofeo R has been lesser tire in dry traction vs cup 2, with better wet traction. Haven't seen much on the RS version.

RIP, not a good look lol

 

[shogun32]

The fact that the other guy pointed that Porsche’s RS division is using this compound on their highest end models is super encouraging though.

except that Porsche has their own Cup2 formulation in the recent past so it stands to reason the Porsche version of the Trofeo is likely much different than the version Ford accepted.

If for no other reason the cord wrap will be very different since Porsche has "no" weight in the nose and super heavy in the back which is the opposite of Mustang.

IMO it's LONG since time the mustang should come in 9.5 squared in all trims including ecoboost and put an end to this staggered nonsense. Also anything with 'perf pack' can come with PS4S and leave the nonsense of shodding factory cars with Trofeo/Cup2 and whatnot to the "FP catalog". If you buy a PP car it comes with a discount coupon for your first set of "track" tires from FP.

 

[OppoLock]

except that Porsche has their own Cup2 formulation in the recent past so it stands to reason the Porsche version of the Trofeo is likely much different than the version Ford accepted.

True that, and most of those bespoke compounds take years of collab

 

[zstanny]

I realized that the dark horse base has the same tire sizes as the GT PP. Really leaning towards base, pending what spoiler it gets, or doesn't get. I wanna drive the thing. Let my last car sit too much because of the supercar 3Rs that came on it.

 

[OppoLock]

I realized that the dark horse base has the same tire sizes as the GT PP. Really leaning towards base, pending what spoiler it gets, or doesn't get. I wanna drive the thing. Let my last car sit too much because of the supercar 3Rs that came on it.

Good point

Having big meaty streetable quasi-R-compounds on your daily is like rocking baseball bat schmeat in your trousers—fun for bragging rights but how often do you get to really use it

 

[zstanny]

The amount of schmeat usage replies I’ve just came up with internally is mildly worrisome.

Good point

Having big meaty streetable quasi-R-compounds on your daily is like rocking baseball bat schmeat in your trousers—fun for bragging rights but how often do you get to really use it

 

[OppoLock]

The amount of schmeat usage replies I’ve just came up with internally is mildly worrisome.

Ironically, one is only useful in dry conditions, the other only in wet

 

[jgilkey]

Does anyone know how the new tires are in cold weather compared to the Cup2? I’m wondering if the production limits played a part in the switch from Cup2’s.

 

[zstanny]

Based off what seems to be competitor compounds I'm sure you can assume horrid traction starting at 40F and potential cold cracking below 30F

Does anyone know how the new tires are in cold weather compared to the Cup2? I’m wondering if the production limits played a part in the switch from Cup2’s.

 

[zstanny]

Looking at tires again… tire rack has a pzero trofeo R, showing utqg 60AA A.

sport cup 2R utqg 140AA

You’ve gotta be kidding right? Theoretically less than half the life of a sport cup2R? That’s insane. Potentially a 3000 ish mile tire lol? Someone tell me I’m missing something.

 

[Skye]

Someone tell me I’m missing something.

I probably looked at the same reference you did.

While a handful are rated 220, the overwhelming majority are rated at 60.

"I have purchased a lot of them. Probably 4 to 6 sets of them a year, but i don't really keep track."
- A Reviewer

"The "Miles on this set of tires:" above is not something I consider, so I have no idea of the mileage i get from these tires, and don't care. "
- A Reviewer

Even with Cup2s, owners near immediately replace with something else. Anyone considering a DH should plan to replace the tires, possibly the rims. Great for track. not so much the street.

If picking up their cars and driving anything farther than a few 10s of miles, the buyer should consider replacing the tires at the dealer or close-by, due to the amount of rocks and debris picked-up.

 

[zstanny]

Yep. They’re basically for the “I’m so rich I don’t bother” crowd. Not to hurt feelings, but that’s a different customer segment than the bulk of the performance mustang trim base I would think.

I probably looked at the same reference you did.

While a handful are rated 220, the overwhelming majority are rated at 60.

"I have purchased a lot of them. Probably 4 to 6 sets of them a year, but i don't really keep track."
- A Reviewer

"The "Miles on this set of tires:" above is not something I consider, so I have no idea of the mileage i get from these tires, and don't care. "
- A Reviewer

 

[shogun32]

Someone tell me I’m missing something.

Pirelli's numbers are nonsense. I have the PZ4C tires Ford put on the EB/PP with 80. They wear like the 300 series PS4S. Even cold Cup2 (50F) grab and throw vastly more sand/particles than these "not remotely gumball" Pirelli's do at 90F.

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