Steeda claims it, is it real world?

[Junkyard Dog]

I won’t get into another debate with you but there are plenty of supercharged mustangs running track days and not melting down. I get you’re being cautious and conservative but you’re creating math to try and cement your position when it’s completely baseless. Your napkin math might make sense to you but it doesn’t translate to the real world. And there are a worlds worth of evidence driving around on tracks around the globe to prove it.

I am not asking for a debate.

If you have a real world example, make a thread.

Until then your claims do not matter, even if you claim thousands of these driving on tracks around the globe to prove it. I am just asking for one. One. Provide the evidence. Don't just assert that there is so much evidence that you cannot provide it. If there are as many examples as you claim, you ought to be able to provide one.

Or you can tune your forced induction car with the stock radiator and oil cooler and film 30 minutes of hard driving on track down there in Florida with a Garmin Catalyst or the like. That will convince me and everybody else.

Until then you are just making claims on a keyboard that you cannot back up.

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[ZXMustang]

I am not asking for a debate.

If you have a real world example, make a thread.

Until then your claims do not matter, even if you claim thousands of these driving on tracks around the globe to prove it. I am just asking for one. One. Provide the evidence. Don't just assert that there is so much evidence that you cannot provide it. If there are as many examples as you claim, you ought to be able to provide one.

Or you can tune your forced induction car with the stock radiator and oil cooler and film 30 minutes on track down there in Florida with a Garmin Catalyst or the like. That will convince me and everybody else.

Until then you are just making claims on a keyboard that you cannot back up.

Im not going to spend another second debating with you jd. Its never ending blathering of your napkin math and its exhausting. These forum debates never go anywhere.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Im not going to spend another second debating with you jd. Its never ending blathering of your napkin math and its exhausting. These forum debates never go anywhere.

One more time. I never requested the original debate, much less another debate or another second debating, or you exhausting yourself making claims you cannot back up.

You are spouting BS.

It would be very simple for you to prove it, if this was "real world" as you claim. But it's not.

I get it, you want to market your tuning skills. Cool. go for it.

But these claims that you can cool off a track car with 875 horsepower by tuning are utter BS.

You would not have to debate if it was real world. You could just put up and shut up and let the results speak for themselves.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

To be clear, my Dark Horse does not overheat on track in the summer at my driving level, completely OEM down to the tune.

The posts I wrote above are about the demands place on the stock cooling systems by adding forced induction, specifically responding to the other poster's question about whether a procharger might be better for this issue than a Whipple.

So I picked the Whipple horsepower and ran with it. (875)

There is no tuning your way out of removing the heat from 875 horsepower for a half hour on track.

It is not happening.

It is physics.

I am happy to be proved wrong, but your "You aren't the first person to track a street car" probably is not addressing what the other poster and I were discussing. If it is, then that real world example of a Whippled Mustang (or a procharged one) at 875 horsepower able to push 10/10 for 30 minutes at Road Atlanta with the stock cooling system and just tuning would be worthy of its own thread. But that ain't happening. And I am guessing that is not what you meant.

I dont think you understand heating issues as much as you think you do. There are plenty of super charged Mustangs running around on thr track. And your one time track visit doesnt make you an expert. Especially since you admitted to not looking at you guages and dont know what your actual temps were.

 

[Zig]

One more time. I never requested the original debate, much less another debate or another second debating, or you exhausting yourself making claims you cannot back up.

You are spouting BS.

It would be very simple for you to prove it, if this was "real world" as you claim. But it's not.

I get it, you want to market your tuning skills. Cool. go for it.

But these claims that you can cool off a track car with 875 horsepower by tuning are utter BS.

You would not have to debate if it was real world. You could just put up and shut up and let the results speak for themselves.

Is the heat from the compressor (soak style) or the exhaust (active production as byproduct)?

 

[AZ_Ryan]

One more time. I never requested the original debate, much less another debate or another second debating, or you exhausting yourself making claims you cannot back up.

You are spouting BS.

It would be very simple for you to prove it, if this was "real world" as you claim. But it's not.

I get it, you want to market your tuning skills. Cool. go for it.

But these claims that you can cool off a track car with 875 horsepower by tuning are utter BS.

You would not have to debate if it was real world. You could just put up and shut up and let the results speak for themselves.

Bro. Chill out. You dont understand enough about the subject to be getting mad. Plus YOU are the one who is constantly bringing up heating issues. If you dont want a debate, then stop bring it up.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

There are plenty of super charged Mustangs running around on thr track.

Ok, post them up.

Make sure to include examples with no cooling modifications.

I have seen several, and they all struggled with heat.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Ok, post them up.

Make sure to include examples with no cooling modifications.

I have seen several, and they all struggled with heat.

Lol. You have tunnel vision and aren't reading. Take a break and come back when your feeling less emotional in your responses.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Bro. Chill out. You dont understand enough about the subject to be getting mad. Plus YOU are the one who is constantly bringing up heating issues. If you dont want a debate, then stop bring it up.

Not mad.

Just more naked claims with no support and now, "Oh, you are mad," posts in response to a post in which I clearly asked him just to provide one example of a forced induction car running at the track on a stock cooling system.

Just one S650 with a supercharger added, running at the track. Not babied. 30 minutes.

This is not a case of "I know more than you." It is a case of either it is, or it isn't.

If it is, then provide it.


And keep track of what is being claimed. Even ZXMustang is not claiming that the stock Mustang cooling system (performance pack) will keep up with a Whipple on track for 30 minutes. Rather, he is claiming that his magical tuning will cool the car off well enough to run hard at 875 horsepower for 30 minutes on that stock cooling system. In other words, marketing for his tuning.

You seem to be expanding on the claim to something even more ridiculous.

Nevertheless, neither of you have provided an example.

I am not mad. But I am not going to play stupid games. Put up the example and stop with the appeal to authority fallacy.

I promise you I will look carefully at any example you put up.

But, "Oh, I can turn on the fans earlier." LOL. Well, fine. Do it. Then run that 875 horsepower car hard on the track for 30 minutes and post up the Garmin Catalyst video. Just typing something is different from doing.

I am wiling to accept your assertion that you think you understand cooling better than I do. I do not claim any expertise in automotive cooling. Maybe you know more. Maybe you know 10X more. Maybe you have 30 years in OEM engineering for cooling systems. I certainly don't.

But the burden here is on the two of you.

I have searched diligently for examples. I have poured hours and hours looking into videos and threads of forced induction track cars. Plenty of folks have tried it and gone back to naturally aspirated. Others convert to time trials, so they only have to run one timed lap all out.

Nobody has a 3rd or 4th gen Coyote on the stock GT or Dark Horse cooling system successfully running 30 minutes on track with 875 horsepower.

Now . . . I admit that ZXMustang could be doing his tuning and all of these 875 horsepower cars he tunes are successfully running in the 1:20 range at Road Atlanta on the stock radiator but keeping it quiet and private and nobody knows about it but him.

Your claim, however, is that "there are plenty" of examples.

Well? Where are they?

Then provide them instead of posting to tell everybody how ignorant I am and how much more you supposedly know than me. That might feed your ego, but it does not support your claim.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Lol. You have tunnel vision and aren't reading. Take a break and come back when your feeling less emotional in your responses.

Zero emotion.

There are "plenty" of examples, or there are not.

Where are they?

3 posts by you now, and you have turned to "Oh, you are emotional" to avoid providing any evidence for your claim. "Oh, you are ignorant, and I know more than you" did not work. Neither will the emotional claim.

Either provide the examples or try to distract everybody with something else.

Just provide one example.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Laughing faces are hardly a substitute for evidence, but they are easier to make than providing evidence. I understand.

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